Mo laoch! Michael Collins and Irish Independence.

I can't say that I rightly mind the occasion, but it must have been either at a demo or at a "Marxist Festival". I don't go to London for any other reason(s).

And the reason I never mentioned working for the Stasi is because I never did.

MsG
Spoken EXACTLY as a STASI agent would
 

DaManBugs

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Ah, I see you haven't forgotten the old tradecraft. :thumright:
How could I forget any "tradecraft" when I never learned it. However, this might interest you.:smile::smile::smile:

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How could I forget any "tradecraft" when I never learned it. However, this might interest you.:smile::smile::smile:

MsG
You should write a book Bugsy, no one would buy it but it would keep you away from scaring the pigeons for a while.
 

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You should write a book Bugsy, no one would buy it but it would keep you away from scaring the pigeons for a while.
I thought he'd wrote one or two or was it three? all oddly without ISBN numbers though.
 

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You should write a book Bugsy, no one would buy it but it would keep you away from scaring the pigeons for a while.
Well, sure, spackerman! Why not? Here are a coupla chapters to be going on with: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Since we have a noted member of the SWP here on his own history thread. Do you remember about 10 years ago when people within the org were claiming that Hitler and the Germans never planned to invade the UK? That raised a chuckle. I'm pretty sure Martin Smith wrote an article about it but I'm happy to be corrected.
Operation Sea Lion.
 
Well, sure, spackerman! Why not? Here are a coupla chapters to be going on with: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

MsG
Im sure that will just fly of the shelves Bugsy.
As all you have made such a success out of all you other businesses you are bound to succeed as an author.
Maybe you'll be able to afford moving out of your run down shithole.
 

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Since we have a noted member of the SWP here on his own history thread. Do you remember about 10 years ago when people within the org were claiming that Hitler and the Germans never planned to invade the UK? That raised a chuckle. I'm pretty sure Martin Smith wrote an article about it but I'm happy to be corrected.
Operation Sea Lion.
Can't say that I'm familiar with that. I also can't mind ever discussing the subject with other SWP members, which I'm pretty sure would've happened if an article had appeared about it.

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Im sure that will just fly of the shelves Bugsy.
As all you have made such a success out of all you other businesses you are bound to succeed as an author.
Maybe you'll be able to afford moving out of your run down shithole.
Hey, spackerman! Are you sure English is your first language?:lol::lol::lol:

MsG
 
With you until the bolded bit Kinch.
Try looking up Sean Russell and Frank Ryan.
Obviously not PIRA but old IRA before they became known as 'Official' in the 1970s.
Serious question ... sorry, and all that ... but would it be nearer the truth to make a distinction more along the lines of Treaty and Anti-Treaty lines?
 

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Serious question ... sorry, and all that ... but would it be nearer the truth to make a distinction more along the lines of Treaty and Anti-Treaty lines?
I think put simply, the Nazi collaborators of the IRA were Anti-Treaty types.
I call them Post Anti-Treaty IRA to differentiate from the Civil War Anti-Treaty IRA.
A much more intellectual Marxist/Socialist organisation.
I know it's all a bit Life of Brian but the IRA has held many forms since its inception as we can see into the present day.
I hope that is clear for you because I'm not so sure at this end.
Irish politics eh?
 
Serious question ... sorry, and all that ... but would it be nearer the truth to make a distinction more along the lines of Treaty and Anti-Treaty lines?
In the main yes-ish but there's a lot of very confusing and blurred lines along the way. In the microcosm of the time you could get 2 of the different sections joining together with personalities leading them that were opposed in the final outcome they wanted. My enemies enemy and all that. I admit I only know the rough guide to the 30s in Ireland and my real interest is UK based far-right movements but its roughly right and also wrong depending on who you read. It was a very confusing time.
 
I know, hence being pretty careful when posting from my limited knowledge.
Modern European history from say the French Revolution onwards and US history are my passions but there are those who can cover vast time scales and in-depth without wiki.

This place has sent me off on many enjoyable trips of knowledge.
I'm with the Chinese and British University professors on 'modern' post FR and US events - almost breaking news and far too recent to merit the word 'history'. Welsh nationalism's roots go back at least a couple of hundred years earlier, my old local church remembers those new kids on the block, the Normans, arriving and my Red Sea Pedestrian friends have got several millennia under their belts, with two of those millennia being under their sandals on enforced sight-seeing trips.
 
How could I forget any "tradecraft" when I never learned it.
Possibly in the same way as someone else I knew wasn't recovering from bullet wounds that he didn't have that he didn't get when being in a place he never was in which he wasn't doing stuff he never did. ;-)

However, this might interest you.
It did rather amuse me. I like this bit of officialese shorthand: "(Unimportant. Do not follow up)", which probably translates as, "Just .. Stop it. Please. Do you think I don't have enough of this sh*t passing over my desk every day, day in, day out, year in, year out. FFS, if not for what's left of my sanity, then think about how my boss is going to feel when he has to sign off on yet another detailed report on Bugsy's Boring Boxes? He'll be wanting blood and I think I'll have just the name for him ... just stick to cups of coffee, in Ordnung? MsG, Sieg Heil, and all that".
 
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In the main yes-ish but there's a lot of very confusing and blurred lines along the way. In the microcosm of the time you could get 2 of the different sections joining together with personalities leading them that were opposed in the final outcome they wanted. My enemies enemy and all that. I admit I only know the rough guide to the 30s in Ireland and my real interest is UK based far-right movements but its roughly right and also wrong depending on who you read. It was a very confusing time.
Unlike now ...

(Herr Honecker? Got any of that aspirin left?)
 
Major Crawford and Captain Spender were the two Unionist Council members who arranged for German guns to be delivered to the UVF in 1914
The closest any Irish politico got to being in cahoots with Nazi Germany were the words of William Warnock, Irish Charge d'Affairs in Berlin who was pretty much anti-Brit, but he did so of his own bat and was merely concerned to get 'international justice' for Ireland v Britain in the event that Hitler had won.
Most of the time Ireland adopted a fair amount of poetic licence over her 'neutrality' and assisted the Allies greatly.....for a neutral country.
As for a PIRA or even an IRA Nazi connection - it's utter ballox
May be a myth, or I heard it somewhere, but didn’t Ireland refuse to observe the blackout during the unpleasantness thus aiding Luftwaffe aircrews with navigation?
Also, Ireland was the only country to send Germany a telegram expressing their condolences for losing the war?
I may be way out here.
 
May be a myth, or I heard it somewhere, but didn’t Ireland refuse to observe the blackout during the unpleasantness thus aiding Luftwaffe aircrews with navigation?
Also, Ireland was the only country to send Germany a telegram expressing their condolences for losing the war?
I may be way out here.
I believe De Valera visited the German ambassader at the end of the war expressing his condolences on hearing about the death of Hitler.

However, there had been a generally good relationship between ROI and the Ambassador , Edward Hemple I think, and Dev's intent is generally accepted as being to cement Ireland's status as a neutral country.....particularly because they had acted in the allied interest beyond the extent that would normally be expected of a neutral state.

Hemple was regarded as an anti Nazi and had refused to join the party until brought under pressure to do so. As always there are counter claims but Hemple was generally well regarded as an old wotld diplomat balancing his loyalty to Germany despite his abhorrance of the regime in control.
 

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