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MK2 - Any takers?

MK2 - How much have you completed?

  • None - I'm exempt/too senior

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None - Eligible but not registered

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Registered and had a look, but haven't had the inclination or time

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Started the theory

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • PASSED Module 1

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • PASSED Module 2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • PASSED the lot!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Finished the lot as required reading for this year's ICSC but haven't PASSED it

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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#1
You've seen the hype, and it looks like it's here to stay, but I need a morale boost. Has anyone actually got a grip of MK2? That means, who's actually passed an exam...
 
#3
I am one of the lucky ones in the last bracket but I do not envy those of you who will have to take the exam. My 2 year old daughter could have made a better job of the proof reading
 
#4
Just about to start, needless to say the computer isn't up to the job.

I note chicken jims commenst with some concern - oh well here goes..........
 
#5
Can I cram it in the 2 days before I start ICSC?
 
#6
I'm approaching the 100hr mark now, not incl downloads, revision or exams and am probably 1/2 to 2/3 through. Module C has been dummed down, or is at least easier than A and B.

All are interesting but they don't half take some time.

There has been some pretty patronising stuff, about the length of time it takes, published on the login screen like a. some people are taking notes (show me someone who's done it without notes and I'll show you someone who sat with the CD working on a laptop while he/she sat the exam), b. you're new to e-learning (but have a-levels and degrees in Computer Science (dweeeeeb)), c. something else that I can't remember because I'm skull fooked from trying to remember the ORBAT of a Div Sp Sqn and each personality's responsibilities.

The number of innaccuracies and errors in the lessons and tests/exams are amazing, but I still think that it's all a crock. People are only doing for ICSC, whereas the whole point is to do it prior to starting your SO3 staff job, which I'd be very surprised if more than 2% of Capts, if that, have done.

Too little, too late...
 
#7
I'm approaching the 100hr mark now, not incl downloads, revision or exams and am probably 1/2 to 2/3 through. Module C has been dummed down, or is at least easier than A and B.

All are interesting but they don't half take some time.

There has been some pretty patronising stuff, about the length of time it takes, published on the login screen like a. some people are taking notes (show me someone who's done it without notes and I'll show you someone who sat with the CD working on a laptop while he/she sat the exam), b. you're new to e-learning (but have a-levels and degrees in Computer Science (dweeeeeb)), c. something else that I can't remember because I'm skull fooked from trying to remember the ORBAT of a Div Sp Sqn and each personality's responsibilities.

The number of innaccuracies and errors in the lessons and tests/exams are amazing, but I still think that it's all a crock. People are only doing it for ICSC, whereas the whole point is to do it prior to starting your SO3 staff job, which I'd be very surprised if more than 2% of Capts, if that, have done.

Too little, too late...
 
#8
I'm planning to take Mod A test in a few weeks, I'll let you know how it goes.

Personally I find the whole thing rather insulting - it seems to have been broken down into bite sized pieces to "keep our attention" but appears targeted at GCSE students or below, with the attention span and interest levels that that implies. It's practically impossible to get a feel for the subject matter while flitting between graphics, tasks, pop-ups etc.

Sad though it is I'm really quite interested in the subject matter and the Mod A subject area is bang on relevant to my current job (SO3 three-quarters of the way through - so this education is rather late as with most people!) I was therefore rather disappointed to find it useless. Worse, when I turned to some of the original reference material in search of coherent prose to read, I discovered that the MK2 course is riddled with errors too. I've compiled a list of almost 60 in Mod A alone (I admit some are rather finicky and could be seen as my personal preferences but most are genuine wrongness.) The compilation of this list and eventual submission (once I've passed to be on the safe side I guess) is now my main motivation to pick up the laptop.

I think that the real problem with the course is that it inspires apathy in otherwise motivated officers. I have a keen interest in my profession and I find the time to read BAR, BADTN, history, current affairs and even occasionally some doctrine. I'm currently in the middle of "Masters of War" by Michael Handel, which is an excellent and accessible study on the origins of strategic thought. Not blowing my trumpet but just saying that I expected to be motivated, interested and inspired to find 60 hrs to study MK2 easily. It is sad that on close inspection it is irrelevant, insultingly and inconveniently presented, dull and often wrong!

We are adults, why can we not be presented with a reading list and an exam, with a few practice papers to gauge the standard. I for one hate being spoon fed drivel via an obsolete laptop.

Rant over!
 

DPM

Old-Salt
#9
Yep,

That just about sums it up, although there's plenty more faux pas to look forward to.

IPB is a G3 responsibility apparently.
 
R

really?_fascinating

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#10
Stockholm, fair points throughout, my reading of MK2is that it is a bit dull and disjointed. I am in the privileged position of being a mentor, so I have to read and understand it all and then try to 'add value!!'

Your point on reading lists and an exam would, unfortunately put us all back to square one. When I did AJD, we had a course with exams at the end, if successful, you were then eligible for promotion. This system served to separate people at Captain level and thus many left as they were unable to promote/ attend staff college. By study and learning you would probably have flourished under the old system.

You are one of the unfortunates who are in an SO3 appt studying a course designed to equip you to be an SO3! The rationale for the requirement is there are likely to be things in MK2 you need for ICSC and might not have picked up in your SO3 appt - this does not appear to be a very strong justification, but there you go.

As for personal motivation to study, you have clearly understood the need for professional study. Compare and contrast with other MK2 posts (not this forum) who appear to want to be promoted to Major without any need to understand the wider Army. If nothing else MK2 forces the dullards to clear a low hurdle of education before attending ICSC. I am not sure that your 'occasional reading of doctrine' is entirely healthy though!
 
#11
Further on from earlier post, am not cracking on with the earlier parts. Don't want to appear pompous but it is patronising and an insult to the intelligence. For example draging a "stamp" to the sentence which best applies to the relevent MOD responsibility FFS! Professional study is fine. But (1) Professional and (2) Study NOT playing noddy games!

Yes there is a need to understand the wider army but FFS treat us like adults
 
#13
I am reliably informed that a total of 8 people have passed the whole thing already.... b'stds - ruining the currency for the rest of us.
 
#14
Anyone noticed the new exam rules - specifically stressing that the tests are to be monitiored/watched by a field offr at a time and place of your CO's choosing. I wonder how many of the 30 odd that have passed would still do so...
 
#15
I'm another in the "Can't we make it a bit more grown-up" camp. I have just finished the first bit, concluding with a bad cartoon of CJO using a DPM golf-bag marked JRRF. That, the lack of accuracy and the comments that we should all improve our study habits does get irritating after a while.
 
#16
The latest comments made on study technique, et al, are a complete joke.

I've noticed that the questions in Part 3 have been totally dumbed down, presumably to stop complaint, or maybe the authors just got bored, which rather gets away from the point that the marterial is guff. So many errors, and the format is making my eyes bleed...
 

Captain_Crusty

War Hero
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#17
Passed it.

Top tips:

1. Print out the lesson summaries before doing the lessons and just make notes onto these. Will save you plenty of time.

2. If you narrowly miss the pass mark (80%), ring the MK2 help line and ask them to have a look at your exam as the computer doesn't always mark everything correctly.

3. I found a combination of the lesson summaries and the example questions were enough to allow me to pass.

Total time - about 30 hours.
 
#18
Face the MK thing is a cost-saving cop out.

As has been stated before it doesn't improve your education, it merely teaches you to learn the answers.

I've completed whole package and would estimate, if you're pretty handy with IT, its possible to complete in about 60-80hrs - albeit all of this has to be done at home.

And yes, I had to complete mine under exam conditions.
 
#19
I managed to do Mod A and B in a Bde run cramming session - had just about managed to get it up and running on my laptop and had looked into it - won't work on DII (C) and you can't download the software IF you can get onto the site with IGS access. Only managed to pass due to sitting with subject matter experts and discussing all the nonsense that they think we need to know.

Here's the solution:

1. Get all the eligible capts together.
2. Get tutors to teach it.
3. Do the MAs at the same time as well.
4. Take them out of work for .... 3 months.

What do you get?

Shall we re-invent the wheel?

GBTD
 

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