Ministry of Defence seeks to maximise Reserves contribution through new review

Not a decision made by reserves though...

oh, and some reservists are specialists in UK Ops, not many regulars are. I do in-fact believe that some of the pandemic plans may have been written by reservists....
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Assuming the STRE were instrumental implementing nightingales or was that solely the Reg RE?
 
Not a decision made by reserves though...

oh, and some reservists are specialists in UK Ops, not many regulars are. I do in-fact believe that some of the pandemic plans may have been written by reservists....
and provide most of the army’s med capability
 
and provide most of the army’s med capability
Yes problem being however as sizable part of Reserve Med Regiments Personnel Being employed By the NHS already Limited number of them available for COVID support roles.
 
Medical capability is irrevelent in the response to COVID19?
The AR medical support to the Army comes from NHS-employed reservists. It makes no sense to mobilise them to do the roles that they would be doing anyway.

Instead, mobilising Sappers to provide the infrastructure and Infantry to provide large numbers for non-medical (yet vital) roles makes best use of resources. If the Infantry (or other arms) have individuals with specialist civvy skills, it makes sense to use them for that although I'm not aware that a satisfactory database exists.

The irony is that during the Cold War years, Specialist Teams RE spent half of their Annual Camp updating plans to construct emergency 500 bed field hospitals, often based on hangars and garages. They liaised closely with BMHs to accommodate medical equipment as well as sensible layout. Bear in mind that we were looking at an NBC environment so COLPRO was an integral feature. Not having contact with the current generation of STsRE, I don't know what their involvement was but I would hope that somebody thought to look in the Technical Information Centre where they would have found loads of plans that would have needed minimal adaptation to incorporate modern equipment.
 
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Assuming the STRE were instrumental implementing nightingales or was that solely the Reg RE?
No idea - wasn't involved in that bit.

I do know Royal Signals Reserves where heavily involved in the data/records etc. Side. I also know at least 1 royal signals reserve officer helped develop the plans.
 
The AR medical support to the Army comes from NHS-employed reservists. It makes no sense to mobilise them to do the roles that they would be doing anyway.
thats the point I’m making.

it does have a major plus for the military to have (in an crisis) well trained and more importantly up to date and experienced med professionals. But they won’t be available for some crisis for that very reason.
 
thats the point I’m making.

it does have a major plus for the military to have (in an crisis) well trained and more importantly up to date and experienced med professionals. But they won’t be available for some crisis for that very reason.
However a lot of the support elements are not NHS in the day - ambulance drivers for example, and were used to support the nightingales. Then spent much time sat doing little. Source: one of my former soldiers who became an ambulance driver when we closed the squadron. Mobilised for the duration. Been on one tasking.
 

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However a lot of the support elements are not NHS in the day - ambulance drivers for example, and were used to support the nightingales. Then spent much time sat doing little. Source: one of my former soldiers who became an ambulance driver when we closed the squadron. Mobilised for the duration. Been on one tasking.
Did better than a cousin of mine, also an ambulance driver (day job student so doing f all otherwise) who didn't get a sniff of mobilisation despite putting his hand up whilst the Inf Bn were taking anyone with a pulse. Guess which unit's CO was running the area's AR effort?
 
. Not having contact with the current generation of STsRE, I don't know what their involvement was but I would hope that somebody thought to look in the Technical Information Centre where they would have found loads of plans that would have needed minimal adaptation to incorporate modern equipment.
"Old was Bad, Re-brand is better" seems to be the approach nowadays
 

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Assuming the STRE were instrumental implementing nightingales or was that solely the Reg RE?
Mainly Regular STRE and 8 Force Engineer Brigade on the Engineering side of the project.
 

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Not having contact with the current generation of STsRE, I don't know what their involvement was but I would hope that somebody thought to look in the Technical Information Centre where they would have found loads of plans that would have needed minimal adaptation to incorporate modern equipment.
Ab initio build of tented camp type field hospitals was not what was being asked for. The ask was to support and/or reinforce commercial contractors in the fit out of existing real estate (conference centres, vacant out of town stores etc) with very specific NHS requirements (including some complex compressed gas supply). I am sure that the Sapper Infra guys knew what they were doing and would have drawn on past experience and current need. NHS don't seem to have complained! Do not also underestimate the speed with which this was achieved from an absolute cold start.
 

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thats the point I’m making.

it does have a major plus for the military to have (in an crisis) well trained and more importantly up to date and experienced med professionals. But they won’t be available for some crisis for that very reason.
Correct. In fact for this crisis the MoD were specifically asked NOT to mobilise NHS workers and others employed in or around Blue Light services or local Government.
 
Ab initio build of tented camp type field hospitals was not what was being asked for. The ask was to support and/or reinforce commercial contractors in the fit out of existing real estate (conference centres, vacant out of town stores etc) with very specific NHS requirements (including some complex compressed gas supply). I am sure that the Sapper Infra guys knew what they were doing and would have drawn on past experience and current need. NHS don't seem to have complained! Do not also underestimate the speed with which this was achieved from an absolute cold start.
I understood that there was some RAF Logs input around this issue too...
 

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I have to be careful what I say, but a good friend of mine was warned for mobilisation for ROTO2 from Monday 1st June and was told to travel from his home address to Cornwall on Sunday 31st May. Mid-afternoon Saturday 30th May, he received a very apologetic email from an Army 1* standing him down. The background is the very late axing of a large number of roles, with further roles cut after 1600 hrs on Friday 29th May and with others being moved up to 50 miles from their previously planned locations. ROTO1 saw the employment of ICSC en masse. Unfortunately, that decision was again made very late in the day, with the further unfortunate effect that plenty of reservists had already warned off their employers that they were going to be mobilised c.Monday 6th April.
So those mobilisation dates are curious, and suggest that there has been a massive timelag in the mobilisation process.

To be fair, the Covid Support HQ, up until about mid-May thought they were doing one thing, and actually discovered (mid-May) they were to be used for another thing (or no thing). That wasn't for lack of seeking direction during March and April, it was for lack of any direction, anywhere, at all. Which seems to have been a common theme across Whitehall, if reports are to be believed.

In those circumstances, standing up everyone to sit on their bergans is really about the best option they had (though not on Friday 29th May). Whether it was best to do that for Reservists, perhaps not, although it's a fair bet that their civilian jobs weren't up to much at the time either.
 
Ab initio build of tented camp type field hospitals was not what was being asked for.
They weren't tented. They were located inside repurposed existing structures in order to protect against fall-out and biological and chemical agents. As such, they could be put into a modern enclosed arena, shopping mall or large warehouse.

The downside is that because of the technology of the time, everything (drawings, schedules, etc.) was hard copy.
 

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The reserves had no business getting involved. If 20,000 regulars weren't enough, 2,000 reservists weren't going to make much difference. But hey, mobilising your Battalion is another OJAR tick in the box.
Sorry, this simply isn't true. As others above have said, there were a small number of very high-impact specialist Reservists and units employed that simply didn't exist in the Regulars.

Of course that doesn't mean that it would be sensible to mobilise the entire Reserve infantry when the Regular infantry was just confined to barracks.
 

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