"Ministry of Defence procurement is bankrupt"

#1
Military spending will face a black hole of £36 billion over the next ten years if there is no increase in the defence budget, the National Audit Office warns today.

As Bob Ainsworth, the Defence Secretary, prepares to announce cuts in manpower and equipment totalling £1.5 billion to try to keep within existing budget limits, the NAO says that Ministry of Defence procurement is bankrupt.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6956635.ece
 
#2
msr said:
As Bob Ainsworth, the Defence Secretary, prepares to announce cuts in manpower and equipment totalling £1.5 billion to try to keep within existing budget limits, the NAO says that Ministry of Defence procurement is bankrupt.
Either increase the Armed Forces budget, or stop fucking sending them to war, Bob.
 
#3
India. A country with nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers being built and a space programme. When the hell are we going to stop sending them the best part of £1b a year in 'aid' and start investing in the mob?
 

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#4
Vladimir_Ilyich_Crab said:
India. A country with nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers being built and a space programme. When the hell are we going to stop sending them the best part of £1b a year in 'aid' and start investing in the mob?
A least a pair of new gen super carriers that are going to be finished on time and on budget....

A space program that out strips our own contributions to the European Space Agency....

Any chance we can poach India's project management teams cos they are clearly better than our own in-house ones
 
#5
“The bleak economic outlook means that it is highly unlikely there will be any extra funding to close this financial chasm. Hard decisions need to be taken in the near future,”

Yet there are still people who think they and their particular part of Sleepy Hollow will somehow remain as is.

"The Ministry of Defence has a multi-billion pound budgetary black hole which it is trying to fix with a 'save now, pay later' approach. This gives a misleadingly negative picture of how well some major projects in MOD are managed, represents poor value for money and heightens the risk that the equipment our Armed Forces require will not be available when it is needed or in the quantities promised. Bold action will be required to prioritise defence spending as part of the planned Strategic Defence Review after the General Election."

Amyas Morse, head of the National Audit Office, 15 December 2009

NAO Report
 
#6
The turncoat Quentin 'Bellend' Davies was smarming on the Ministry of Propaganda & Misinformation (BBC Radio 4) assuring us that everything was fine and that he was the best man for the job - excepting Gordon Brown of course.

Having listened to this glistening item of the product of defecation, I think the Tories were lucky to lose him. He sums up the worst, the very worst, of the sneering, opportunistic shambles that is the Labour party.

If I had to have either 'Bellend' or the twerp Ainsworth to my flat for dinner, it would be Ainsworth, because as useless and ineffective as he clearly is, at least I believe him to be honest - honest within the limits of his intellect and the parameters permitted by 'Bottler' Brown and his enforcers that is!
 
#7
Would that be the same Amyas Morse who had something to do at Defence Procurement Agency a few years back perchance?
 
#8
THe black hole that the liebour cvnts keep banging on about is all their own work.

Example: The 6 much complained £1 Billion Destroyers.

Well, if we actually bought the 14 originally called for in the SDR, they would have cost us about £400 Million a go, instead we have the numbers cut while the huge up front development costs are fixed… genius Liebour planning.

Other examples of liebour genious… squandering billions of buying the A400M that the RAF didn't even want, they wanted more C-130's and C-17's, planes who's unit costs are falling compared with the A400M that's now years late and the costs per unit are spiralling to the state were the 'cheap' A400M is about the same unit cost as a much more capable C-17.

Or how about FRES? God knows how much spent on that while the Gov tried to get the Army to make the 'right' choice, Gov wanted us to choose Nexter, Army kept saying Pirahna… wrong answer, so contract pulled and all the money wasted.
 
#9
It was announced today on BBC 1 morning news there will be a real increase of at least 1% above inflation guarantee
So not so doom and gloom.............. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love labour and there spin!
 
#10
Norfolknchance said:
Would that be the same Amyas Morse who had something to do at Defence Procurement Agency a few years back perchance?
Not many years back: Defence Commercial Director in MoD from 2006-2009, his earlier career having been in the private sector. Sounds like he might know something about what he is talking about.
 
#11
Quenten Davies is being given a very hard time by the Defence Select Commitee at the moment on the BBC News channel
 
#12
tropper66 said:
Quenten Davies is being given a very hard time by the Defence Select Commitee at the moment on the BBC News channel
I read that with your tag about bringing happiness to others and got very confused! And yet that still made sense.... :D
 
#14
Norfolknchance said:
Would that be the same Amyas Morse who had something to do at Defence Procurement Agency a few years back perchance?
Yes. A very capable man who did a lot of good with his fellow SCS but frankly you cannot make bricks without straw!

Amyas Morse was appointed Comptroller and Auditor General on 1st June 2009.


Amyas was born in Edinburgh, and is a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland. He led the Coopers and Lybrand practice in Scotland, before moving to London to manage the London City Office. He subsequently became the Executive Partner of the Coopers and Lybrand UK firm. When PricewaterhouseCoopers was formed, he took on global responsibilities, and served as Global Leader of Assurance practice (audit and related services), and then as Global Managing Partner (Operations).



Amyas Morse joined the Ministry of Defence in July 2006 as the Defence Commercial Director. During his time as Defence Commercial Director he was responsible for shaping the Department’s relationship with industry, and he played a key role in the agreement of strategic commercial arrangements. More widely across government, he served as a member of the Major Projects Review Group, the Public Sector Board of the Chartered Institute of Purchasing and Supply, and on a National Health Service Project Board.
 
#15
Oil_Slick said:
THe black hole that the liebour cvnts keep banging on about is all their own work.

Example: The 6 much complained £1 Billion Destroyers.

Well, if we actually bought the 14 originally called for in the SDR, they would have cost us about £400 Million a go, instead we have the numbers cut while the huge up front development costs are fixed… genius Liebour planning.

Other examples of liebour genious… squandering billions of buying the A400M that the RAF didn't even want, they wanted more C-130's and C-17's, planes who's unit costs are falling compared with the A400M that's now years late and the costs per unit are spiralling to the state were the 'cheap' A400M is about the same unit cost as a much more capable C-17.

Or how about FRES? God knows how much spent on that while the Gov tried to get the Army to make the 'right' choice, Gov wanted us to choose Nexter, Army kept saying Pirahna… wrong answer, so contract pulled and all the money wasted.
No contract has been pulled, spend from 2003 to date is approx. £130M (peanuts) on R&D, Assessment Phase and technology demonstrators - bang on the remit of pre-Main Gate Smart Acquisition, and not wasted - FRES continues with the Scout programme now taking priority. All in the public domain if you're bothered to look!
 
#16
AlMiles said:
Oil_Slick said:
THe black hole that the liebour cvnts keep banging on about is all their own work.

Example: The 6 much complained £1 Billion Destroyers.

Well, if we actually bought the 14 originally called for in the SDR, they would have cost us about £400 Million a go, instead we have the numbers cut while the huge up front development costs are fixed… genius Liebour planning.

Other examples of liebour genious… squandering billions of buying the A400M that the RAF didn't even want, they wanted more C-130's and C-17's, planes who's unit costs are falling compared with the A400M that's now years late and the costs per unit are spiralling to the state were the 'cheap' A400M is about the same unit cost as a much more capable C-17.

Or how about FRES? God knows how much spent on that while the Gov tried to get the Army to make the 'right' choice, Gov wanted us to choose Nexter, Army kept saying Pirahna… wrong answer, so contract pulled and all the money wasted.
No contract has been pulled, spend from 2003 to date is approx. £130M (peanuts) on R&D, Assessment Phase and technology demonstrators - bang on the remit of pre-Main Gate Smart Acquisition, and not wasted - FRES continues with the Scout programme now taking priority. All in the public domain if you're bothered to look!

GD got pulled as preferred contractor because the naught Army bods would insist on giving the wrong answer, FRES utility is in the long grass, and FRES scout? I'll probably be collecting my pension before that ever sees the light of day, if ever.
 
#18
meridian said:
AlMiles said:
spend from 2003 to date is approx. £130M (peanuts) on R&D, Assessment Phase and technology demonstrators
Or

Put that another way

5 Chinooks

And multiply that across just about every MOD procurement over the last 30 years and viola! Your 'Black Hole'!
 
#19
Never mind the fact that it is all turning rotten as the legacy of Labour mismanagement of Defence finally catches up. No, the Dear Leader trots out yet more nonsense in attempt to distract from his gross blunders.

But even by his low standards this one is particularly foul, stupid and cynical attempt to distract.

100,000 children have been saved by Afghan war, says Brown

"Gordon Brown claimed today that the lives of 100,000 children had been saved as a result of the intervention of Britain and other Nato countries in Afghanistan.

The prime minister made his claim in a Downing Street webchat ahead of an announcement that the Ministry of Defence will make big defence cuts as part of an attempt to shift resources to the frontline in Afghanistan."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/dec/14/100000-children-saved-afghan-war
 
#20
According to man Broon it's Far more important to give more money to poorer nations towards their carbon footprints than it is to balance the books of our bankrupted country and as for defence, it's not as if we are at war anywhere is it ? :roll: The man needs to be put out of our misery.

Take care of your own before anyone else.

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