Minibus Rules

Discussion in 'Weapons, Equipment & Rations' started by Horridlittleman, Nov 20, 2008.

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  1. I have been tasked to sort out some Cat D / D1 licence courses and was pleased to find out that you can drive a minibus on a car licence.

    Before you doubt me have a look at the DVLA Minibus rules (thankyou to the bored WO2 who found this last night!). In short the rules are someone may drive a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats provided the following conditions are met:

    i. the vehicle is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body but not for hire or reward
    ii. the driver is aged 21
    iii. the driver has held a car (category B) licence for at least 2 years
    iv. the driver is providing the service on a voluntary basis
    v. the minibus maximum weight is not more than 3.5 tonnes or 4.25 tonnes including any specialist equipment for the carriage of disabled passengers
    vi. if the driver is aged 70 or over, is able to meet the health standards for driving a D1 vehicle

    At last we could have Cpls', Sgts' and Offrs' Mess functions and have soldiers drive, we could send people out in a minibus without having their Tp/Pl SNCO driving while all of the crows are getting their fat heads down.

    Alas no. I discover the MoD will not support the change in rules (probably due to the first point about being for social purposes). Those personnel with 'grandfather' rights will continue to get clobbered for minibus driving tasks.

    I have always found it a little strange that we can get an 18 year old a Cat C+E licence and send them out on the open road in a DROPS train, CST, GST, Tk Tptr let alone armoured vehicles. That individual can drive a transit van on a Cat B licence. After driving a 4/6T for a year they will be eligible to drive a TCV with up to 20 passengers (I know it's less for the TCVES) yet we still can't let them drive a minibus, probably a transit, with windows and a damned site easier to drive than other vehicles!
     
  2. You are quite right - and the speed limits make it even more confusing.
    When I drive a school minibus down here in darkest Kentistan on a two lane M2, I can legally drive 10mph faster than is allowed on the three lane A2 - which is a much better as well as 50% wider road.
     
  3. Not for hire or reward....

    ED pay for driving for said function = Reward.

    Job jobbed and new rules canned..sorry guys :(
     
  4. Never had a problem with it...if its ED pay that's causing the problem then give the lads a long weekend in lieu of ED pay?
    Treat this as time of to rest, not as a reward and bob's your uncle!
     
  5. Exacually goon _bde, what we have always done. Or anyone who has been 'naughty' could always 'volenteer' :wink:
     
  6. Precisely. Time off in lieu is the way ahead. It isn't payment or reward for the driving of the vehicle it is repayment of the time on duty.
     
  7. OR the army could get buses over 30 years old as stated in the link from the DVLA.
     
  8. I thought they were... :wink:
     
  9. OR drivers that are over 70.
     
  10. Thought that was the TA
     
  11. I suppose technically it could be argued that because we are paid 365 days a year, any time spent behind the wheel will always be "for reward".
    As for the MOD getting these kind of things sorted out :D They just make everything harder than it has to be.....
     
  12. It was common place in BFG to only have 9 seater 'mini-buses' as they are exempt the D1 drivel.

    Clearly you can't lift as many people in one go, but my experience of mil tpt for dinner nights etc has always been that the tpt does numerous shuffles throughout the evening witth only a few pax on each lift?

    My experience of mini-buses in the UK has always been that they are 15 seaters, don't know why the difference, but could be a solution to only request MPV / 9 seaters on spot hires, or if they are a PRI regt owned minibus, take some seats out on the justification to convert for extra luggage space...an MD or othersuch spotter may advise that its illegal...so worth checking first!
     
  13. It still is common place. Solves alot of problems (and they are fcuking quick :wink: ).
     
  14. This was also my experience in BFG. It is also going to be the solution I suggest in my area (back in the UK). The Regt has 2 16 seater minibuses as part of its whitefleet entitlement. However my experience has rarely seen these filled to capacity. Indeed holding 3 9 seater MPVs would allow greater flexibility without worrying about who is going to drive them, yet when a minibus is needed it can be spot hired for the task.
     
  15. Problem - getting a junior rank to volunteer for the task, if you order them for a social event, this could be awkward both legally and militarily (not too sure on QRs on this).

    Best answer: get one of your own mob to volunteer to be designated driver, he/she goes without the falling down water for one ocassion, someone else does it next time.