Milliband Promises Children The Vote

The majority of 18 year olds (never mind half the electorate....) I encounter aren't politically aware enough to use their vote in a thoughtful manner & this kind of meddling is truly dangerous & aimed solely at boosting labour's dwindling support.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30384644

A future Labour government will ensure 16 and 17-year-olds are able to vote in elections across the UK from May 2016, Ed Miliband has said.

If it gains power in May, Labour will pass a law to ensure the franchise is extended for English local elections and the London mayoral poll in 2016.

The Labour leader also committed to 16 and 17-year olds getting a vote in 2016 Scottish Parliamentary elections.

It is essential for young people that their "voices are heard", he said.

IMO it's essential for young people to learn a great deal more about their responsibilities, rather than whining about how unfair life is.
 

Sixty

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Old enough to pay tax = old enough to vote.

The Americans had a catchy slogan about it I believe.
 

Sixty

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Actually I've just done some searching. Hadn't realised that England insists that people stay in education or training until 18 now while Scotland, Wales and NI don't.

Odd.
 

NSP

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The majority of 18 year olds (never mind half the electorate....) I encounter aren't politically aware enough to use their vote in a thoughtful manner & this kind of meddling is truly dangerous & aimed solely at boosting labour's dwindling support.
A future Labour government will ensure 16 and 17-year-olds are able to vote in elections across the UK from May 2016, Ed Miliband has said.
Worked out well when Salmond tried it with a view to furthering his getting his own way, didn't it?!
 
I do not believe people below 18 should vote , based on the fact they are not worldly enough to form opinions . Labour will just push for that as they will get votes based on university fees and education .
 
Old enough to pay tax = old enough to vote.

The Americans had a catchy slogan about it I believe.


In that case all those who get more back in benefits than they pay in taxes should be immediately disenfranchised.

"No representation without taxation" sounds good to me.
 
Actually I've just done some searching. Hadn't realised that England insists that people stay in education or training until 18 now while Scotland, Wales and NI don't.

Odd.

Not actually true AFAIK: Only if they don't have a job.
 
In that case all those who get more back in benefits than they pay in taxes should be immediately disenfranchised.

"No representation without taxation" sounds good to me.
Not sure that would be ever possible to introduce (look at the stats for how many people pay nothing in even in work). But maybe -

Take our more than you put in - vote worth 1
Don't pay tax but don't take any benefits other than non meanstested (child benefit etc) - vote worth 2
Nett contributor vote worth 3-10 based on nett contribution up to say a million a year.

Would make voting a bit fairer.
 
Not sure that would be ever possible to introduce (look at the stats for how many people pay nothing in even in work). But maybe -

Take our more than you put in - vote worth 1
Don't pay tax but don't take any benefits other than non meanstested (child benefit etc) - vote worth 2
Nett contributor vote worth 3-10 based on nett contribution up to say a million a year.

Would make voting a bit fairer.

I dunno about the 3-10 part but the rest would ensure we never had another "Labour"(sic) government.:mrgreen:
 

Themanwho

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Labour appear to be banking on Churchill's maxim:

"If you are not a socialist at the age of 20 you have no heart. If you are not a capitalist by 30 you have no brain" (or words to that effect).

So their bet is that your average 16 year old is going to eat Labour's shit up with a soup ladle, believing that all can be made right, equitable and fair if we just tax the rich and cuddle the terrorists.

No matter that your average British 16 year old has no clue about real life, just get them in the voting booth...
 
Old enough to pay tax = old enough to vote.

The Americans had a catchy slogan about it I believe.

Yet I pay tax and wasn't allowed to vote in the Scottish elections because I work abroad.

A bit like some of HM Forces among others.

Strange that. Or is it possibly that a lot would have voted No as I would have?
 
Milliband has seen the large voter turn out in the Scottish referendum, and seen that the majority of 16 year olds voted for the party that gave them the vote.

"I'll have some of that" he says.
 
The majority of 18 year olds (never mind half the electorate....) I encounter aren't politically aware enough to use their vote in a thoughtful manner & this kind of meddling is truly dangerous & aimed solely at boosting labour's dwindling support.
It's blatant political engineering. End of.
 
I do not believe people below 18 should vote , based on the fact they are not worldly enough to form opinions . Labour will just push for that as they will get votes based on university fees and education .

Long gone , if they ever existed , are the days when Political Parties truly produced policies for the benefit of the Nation ... their primary aim now is the survival of the Party .
 
Technically a toddler buying sweets is paying tac (IE: VAT)...
True but said toddler is not using its own taxable income, but handouts.
 

philc

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Could back fire, lot of lads and lasses around here are more likely to vote UKIP, following their fathers and mothers, however still believe it should still be 18.
 
They'll be giving prisoners the vote next. :roll:
Politicians will trawl a swamp if there is a vote in it!
 

Tool

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How would a randy 16yo feel (fnar fnar) if he/she were allowed to vote in the local elections, but not the national? "You can decide how often the refuse is collected, but not anything more important, as we don't trust you!"
 

Themanwho

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How would a randy 16yo feel (fnar fnar) if he/she were allowed to vote in the local elections, but not the national? "You can decide how often the refuse is collected, but not anything more important, as we don't trust you!"

Personally I wouldn't trust a 16 year old to decide anything, which isn't directly related to their personal choice of T shirt / hairstyle / musical preference. At that age I thought with my little head and had no freaking idea about anything outside of the 6th form, regardless of my opinion at the time. I would cheerfully have voted for the communist party if I'd been bribed with a cool T shirt and a feel of Helen Bxxxx's norks. Come to think of it, I still would.
 

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