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Military UK SAR Repreive

#6
"The irregularities included access by one of the consortium members, CHC Helicopter, to commercially sensitive information regarding the joint MOD/DfT project team's evaluations of industry bids and evidence that a former member of that project team had assisted the consortium in its bid preparation, contrary to explicit assurances given to the project team."


So the contract was being rigged using insider information?

Quelle surprise! I winder who was promised a cushy Directorship for that one?
 
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#8
On the bright side, our favourite West Country-based builder of garage doors and refurbisher of aircraft gets another reprieve.
 
#9
All jesting aside, when you consider the fact Nimrod MRA4 has been cancelled, with the loss of long range top cover for SAR, the timing of this faux pas is unfortunate to say the least.

Let us hope unfortunate does not become fatal.
 
#11
The entire PFI contract always seemed a bit dodgy and would probably cost more in the long run than they said it would, but what i dont get about all this is the goverment will bend over backwards to support british industry at times even comprimising the forces over it but rather than going to westland for an easy contract for 30ish new merlins to replace the sea kings supporting the british economy and all, they contract in a forighn firm for it. i mean merlin is used by a number of other nations for SAR and if the goverment were to select it then it would probably give a large bost to westlands sails overseas like the seaking before it. money vould be saved by havind a medium blue command structure but being as the merlin is one of the main aircraft of the navy and RAF it wouldnt be a huge leap to have a SAR version introduced and crewed.
rant over
 
#13
Easy contract? Westlands?

We're better off with Boeing. Or anyone else who makes helicopters...

The best way to have Merlin is to reverse the Apache arrangement; Wastelands allows Boeing to make Merlin, and we buy from Boeing. That way there's a sporting chance of having them to budget and on time.
 
#14
yeah kinda forgot nothings easy with westland but their hardly reinventing the wheel though as a half decent SAR woud be what a HC3 with flir, whinch and the medical gear from the sea kings. it dosnt need to find red october in the mid atlantic nor be armoured against ground fire so hopefully not that pricy. on an american note isnt merlin in the running for some CSAR competition over their as well as barrys helo replacment?
 
#15
The entire PFI contract always seemed a bit dodgy and would probably cost more in the long run than they said it would, but what i dont get about all this is the goverment will bend over backwards to support british industry at times even comprimising the forces over it but rather than going to westland for an easy contract for 30ish new merlins to replace the sea kings supporting the british economy and all, they contract in a forighn firm for it. i mean merlin is used by a number of other nations for SAR and if the goverment were to select it then it would probably give a large bost to westlands sails overseas like the seaking before it. money vould be saved by havind a medium blue command structure but being as the merlin is one of the main aircraft of the navy and RAF it wouldnt be a huge leap to have a SAR version introduced and crewed.
rant over
Don't fancy using a merlin on mountain rescues.
 
#17
Why is the merlin a poor choice? they seem to be ok in the service of the portugese, canadians and others once past the teething troubles
Too big and fast, large downwash,not ideal for the guys being rescued! longer winch cable required and was allready discounted.
 
#18
Why is the merlin a poor choice? they seem to be ok in the service of the portugese, canadians and others once past the teething troubles
Because they cost more.
Because they cost more to maintain.
Because they take more people to keep them in the air and those people cost money as well.

Basicly changing from Seaking to Merlin would lead to a massive cost increase to provide a marginal increase in ability.

Honestly I think UK should see if it can put seaking back into production because a updated seaking that basicly has same cost structure as current seakings is what UK is actualy looking for. Could probably export a few as well.
 
#19
Thing is, if it stays military then it makes sense to use Merlin as it's one of the approved platforms for the future.

Still puts us in hock to our whinging 'strategic' Yeovil based chums.

If it goes COMO/COCO (ideally COCO) then the platform is much less of an issue and the field opens up again. Anyone for NH90?
 
#20
Thing is, if it stays military then it makes sense to use Merlin as it's one of the approved platforms for the future.

Still puts us in hock to our whinging 'strategic' Yeovil based chums.

If it goes COMO/COCO (ideally COCO) then the platform is much less of an issue and the field opens up again. Anyone for NH90?
What ever happens it won't stay military, already been using civvy engineers for the last few years.
 

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