Military skills competition stand

#1
Right then troops
can you give your views on this little grievance of mine?
District Military skills weekend, though a fantastic and well thought out competition, i was shocked to learn the skill at arms stand was testing cadets in their ability to strip/assemble the weapon blindfolded and under a time limit.
Now im sure most of you have seen the old unthinking moment and other such safety videos which all im pretty sure at some point say do not run weapon handling periods with time limits.
Now im fully aware that in order to get a bit of competition within the class races are carried out but as fun and not for assessment?


any views??




Troop!
 
#2
That kind of thing is just a bit of fun..........especially if you are the DS, them you can remove, or even just move the stripped parts around and watch the ensuing confusion!
 
#3
Fair one!
i understand that but the stands are to test ability on the weapon.
usually a 1 star test is carried, my point is that the cadets train for this competition for months and each stand testing test skills not having a laugh with it?

or am i being a plick?

dunno



Troop
 
#4
Military skills w/e is supposed to be a fun weekend. Thus the skills used should not jsut be a repetition of the tests, but something to make the men stand out from the boys, if you will pardon the expression.

I find nothing wrong with pushing the boundry like this, especially as its a skill that will be useful if they decide on the Forces as a future career.

OS

PS: I used to teach people to do the blindfold reassembly thing before a major test, thus when they got into the test it should be a doddle. The funniest thing i had was a cadet coming out of his test and saying "it was easy, they even let me see the rifle"
 
#5
I don't think you're being a plick at all Troop! Of course the competition has to be more challenging than the usual tests but I think this goes too far. I would agree that the timed element could be used for fun but in competitions/tests surley accuracy is more important? Or maybe we are just a pair of plicks? :D
 
#6
I thought the Government had banned competition at all levels in everything.........I am writing to my MP about this............................ blindfolded obviously!
 
#8
Seems reasonable to me.
Sometimes in the real world it's dark so doing things blindfold is good training (as well as good fun).
I agree that accuracy and safety are much more important than speed but they don't really lend themselves to competition. If everyone does it right, how do you pick a winner?
 
#10
I used to do the mill skills when i was a cadet and it was as soon as you got off the transport report in get a grid ref and Etd and then go out to where ever set up and start the comp, stands,recce, fighting patrol etc. All this stayin in buildings is to soft on them. Maybe i am wrong and this is better however the old way was alot harder.

Any Imput?
 
#11
Walt and get some im with you on this one! agreed was a lot harder but was testing we were alone all weekend working as self sufficient section, i would go so far as saying these were the best weekends throughout my time as a cadet.
Now its all fluffy is just a series of stands to navigate to without harbour drills, recces, fighting patrols, orders for sect comd etc

bring back the old days


troop
 
#12
Hang on a mo?

Am I to take it that you do everything out of barracks/camps now?

No bashaing out mit gats, blank,pyro and a GS rat pack?

If anyone has gone soft it aint the cadets. Its the adults!

I know the cadets would love it. Out of all the activities I did when I was a sprog and SI in the 90s it was the field excercises I loved, and the parade square I loathed.
 
#13
yep how poo is that? welcome to the scouts cadet force lol
Troop cheers for that info mate

Get Some
 
#14
Walt its not the adult that have gone soft! its the system man! :x
The weekend in question was ran by and always is ran by cadet trg teams.
Now the weekend was very well thought out and executed but i felt the cadets were missing out on something.

troop
 
#16
Fun and games with weapon stripping and assembly.

Most fun one I ever encountered was run as a background activity to a range day.

Stood behind the point with an LMG, strip the weapon, leave it in bits on the ground and then get in the fire trench. DS puts cover on the trench then lift the edge and drops the whole lot in with the victim, then replaces the cover.

Poor muppet in the trench then has to reassemble the weapon before being let out.

Dark, very confined and quite realistic in an odd sort of way.
 
#17
Its_a_troop!! said:
Right then troops
can you give your views on this little grievance of mine?
District Military skills weekend, though a fantastic and well thought out competition, i was shocked to learn the skill at arms stand was testing cadets in their ability to strip/assemble the weapon blindfolded and under a time limit.
Now im sure most of you have seen the old unthinking moment and other such safety videos which all im pretty sure at some point say do not run weapon handling periods with time limits.
Now im fully aware that in order to get a bit of competition within the class races are carried out but as fun and not for assessment?


any views??




Troop!
Yes, views are: Wrong Wrong and Wrong and illegal

How about checking your red book and the ACF manual where it clearly states that NO SAA is to be taught or tested under any time limits, its a safety issue, I agree, its a bit of fun, but Ive said it a zillion times, these are NOT soldiers, nor are they trained to be soldiers. Lets get to the blindfold issue, darkened safety goggles yes, blindfold, a big NO NO and why? It puts a cadet under a restriction and can be classed as a form of bullying, they would never strip and assemble any weapon under those condition, and as always, somebody show me with evidence Im wrong!!! I want to be wrong, I will admit Im wrong, but, just show me in the red book or ACF manual where its says that ANYONE can do that with cadets. And before any wobbly heads start jumping up and down and say its all character building, good for the soul, part of growing up, ITS NOT, why is the Red Book in existance, its the Safety Precautions when dealing with Cadets. Some AI's and CTT's really do need to read it sometime.

Why dont you AI's stand up to the CTT's or whoever set up this competition, they know the Red Book as much as anyone, its all fine and dandy UNTIL little johhny goes home, and says."....."you all the the headline in the Scum newspaper that would follow.

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