Military Recruitment Campaigns banned by UCL.

#1
I found an interesting document on the UCL website concerning the recent rejection of Armed Forces recruitment campaigns.

It seems interesting that the proposer has a 'foreign' name :?

Troops out of UCL

This union notes:

1. That while the Officer Training Corps are an external organization and not a UCL Union club or society they have frequently been given special access to UCL Union Freshers Faire and ReFreshers Faire. This has included multiple large stalls with multimedia displays and representatives in military uniform, giving them greater exposure than allotted to Union societies.

2. That the Officer Training Corps is a branch of the Army, members may be called up for active duty even while in university should the Army claim to be in a ‘national emergency.’ As such, Officer Training Corps cadets constitute a reserve military force which along with other reserve forces, enable the government to engage in a more aggressive foreign policy, deploying its active forces abroad rather than needing to employ active forces in national defense. Officer Training Corps put students under the command of full time military officers.

3. That the chief function of the Officer Training Corps is military recruitment.

4. That this Union has already passed several motions condemning UCL’s financial involvement in the military industry.

5. That Cambridge Students Union banned the Officer Training Corps from its freshers events in 1999.

6. That UCL Union already has a standing policy against investment in companies that produce weapons for the military.


This union believes:

1. That providing the Officer Training Corps stalls at Freshers Faire alongside official Union societies, amounts to an implied endorsement of the Corps and the Army and their activities, by the Union. It further provides the Officer Training Corps direct access to all UCL students interested in Union organized activities at the Freshers Faire, directly aiding Officer Training Corps recruitment.

2. That because the British military under the Labour Government is currently engaged in an aggressive war overseas, for the Union to use its resources to encourage students to join the military or participate in military recruitment activities at this time would give political and material support to the war.

3. That it is inconsistent for the Union to lobby UCL to end its involvement with companies that provide weapons for the military, as is Union policy, while the Union is actively involved in promoting organizations that provide officers for the military.

4. That the Union should not endorse or promote the Officer Training Corps, the military or the foreign policy of the Labour government and the Bush white house.

This union resolves:

1. To ban the Officer Training Corps and Territorial Army from Freshers Faire, ReFreshers Faire, and all other UCL Union organized events.

2. To prohibit any military recruitment activity at UCL Union events and premises.

3. To give no platform for military, paramilitary, military reserve, officer training, or other organizations whose primary mission is to conduct or glorify war.

4. To mandate all UCL Union representatives to University of London Union to lobby ULU to ban the Officer Training Corps and other military recruiters from its freshers events and to remove the link to the Officer Training Corps from its website.


Proposer: Sham Rajyaguru

Seconders:

Edward Hood
Rachel Page
Tom Elliot
Arabel Luscombe
Alex Jordan
Sara Hall
Craig Griffiths
Simon Bull
Maggie Gray
Michael Barnett
 
#2
found an interesting document on the UCL website concerning the recent rejection of Armed Forces recruitment campaigns.
It seems interesting that the proposer has a 'foreign' name
I found it interesting that this has already been done in other bits on the forum, i also found it boring that because someone has a foreign name its 'interesting' :roll:

It seems interesting that you have a foreign sounding user name, are you German.
 
#3
I read about this the other day as well. As a member of an OTC myself this really hacks me off.

They've made OTC out to be a 'reserve army' of steely eyed killing machines waiting to be unleashed. However from my experience OTC is no more than a behind the scenes look at Army life and a way to do a lot of fun things for free.

Wasn't the last time an OTC was in 'national emergency' in WW1? :/
 
#4
I read a few weeks ago that one of the US Universities in California tried this, by refusing to renew the lease of the US Marine Recruiting Office allowed, by state law, to operate an office on campus. The state legislative board suggested that, as they did not want "government" troop recruitment, perhaps they should not be allowed the 3.5 million dollars they received annually from "government funding" either.

UCL is probably Higher Education Funding Council for England part-funded. As this is a government scheme, same as the military recruiting, perhaps we should write to UCL, the Dept of Education and HEFCE and propose the same withdrawal of funding and the accompanying loss of students, revenue and jobs (all protected, whatever clever hippy prose to the opposite, by the military they are so against). :?

It would be interesting to see how quickly the bleeding-heart liberals run for their trenches when their jobs and soft, safe livelihoods are threatened?

As usual, the so-called educated ones are the ones who act like witless cnuts. :roll:

"The Truth! You can't handle the Truth!!" A Few Good Men.
 
#5
scarletto said:
found an interesting document on the UCL website concerning the recent rejection of Armed Forces recruitment campaigns.
It seems interesting that the proposer has a 'foreign' name
I found it interesting that this has already been done in other bits on the forum, i also found it boring that because someone has a foreign name its 'interesting' :roll:

It seems interesting that you have a foreign sounding user name, are you German.
if it's so 'boring' why do you bother to reply?
 
#6
scarletto said:
found an interesting document on the UCL website concerning the recent rejection of Armed Forces recruitment campaigns.
It seems interesting that the proposer has a 'foreign' name
I found it interesting that this has already been done in other bits on the forum, i also found it boring that because someone has a foreign name its 'interesting' :roll:

It seems interesting that you have a foreign sounding user name, are you German.
I found it intensly annoying and it does us no favours, this site or the forces, that the only comment the poster could include was about this blokes percieved ethnicity. Yes Mr Rajyaguru is a little melodramatic pacifist cnut, but he's probably British. Why does his ethnicity matter anyway?
 
#7
I may be wrong but I think the Students Union is the only union in the country that is allowed to run a closed shop. I seem to remember years ago as a Mature Student (Part Time) Iit was a condition of registration that I joined the union. Perhaps if the government stopped this practice we'd see how many students actually want to be in the union as apposed to how many want to use the subsidised barsIOncidentally although the proposer had a "foreign" name it's pretty obvious that the ten seconders didn't so let's not start another anti-foreigner rant with no evidence.
 
#8
UberSoldat said:
scarletto said:
found an interesting document on the UCL website concerning the recent rejection of Armed Forces recruitment campaigns.
It seems interesting that the proposer has a 'foreign' name
I found it interesting that this has already been done in other bits on the forum, i also found it boring that because someone has a foreign name its 'interesting' :roll:

It seems interesting that you have a foreign sounding user name, are you German.
if it's so 'boring' why do you bother to reply?
Cos i can
 
#9
craftsmanx said:
I may be wrong but I think the Students Union is the only union in the country that is allowed to run a closed shop. I seem to remember years ago as a Mature Student (Part Time) Iit was a condition of registration that I joined the union. Perhaps if the government stopped this practice we'd see how many students actually want to be in the union as apposed to how many want to use the subsidised barsIOncidentally although the proposer had a "foreign" name it's pretty obvious that the ten seconders didn't so let's not start another anti-foreigner rant with no evidence.
Seconded with zeal, Id much prefer an anti-pacifist rant! These "miserable creatures, who can never hope to be free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better man than themselves"!
 
#10
craftsmanx said:
I may be wrong but I think the Students Union is the only union in the country that is allowed to run a closed shop. I seem to remember years ago as a Mature Student (Part Time) Iit was a condition of registration that I joined the union. Perhaps if the government stopped this practice we'd see how many students actually want to be in the union as apposed to how many want to use the subsidised barsIOncidentally although the proposer had a "foreign" name it's pretty obvious that the ten seconders didn't so let's not start another anti-foreigner rant with no evidence.
Well... seems abit of a coincidence, don't you think?

Sham Rajyaguru, is the head of 'Stop the war' society! it's a damn conpiracy!

What is wrong with providing other career opportunities for the students? What will a small display of military careers matter? The students do not have to sign up, oh, but I forgot they are all too busy sleeping and smoking pot to give shite!
 
#11
UberSoldat said:
I found an interesting document on the UCL website concerning the recent rejection of Armed Forces recruitment campaigns.

It seems interesting that the proposer has a 'foreign' name :?

Troops out of UCL

This union notes:

1. That while the Officer Training Corps are an external organization and not a UCL Union club or society they have frequently been given special access to UCL Union Freshers Faire and ReFreshers Faire. This has included multiple large stalls with multimedia displays and representatives in military uniform, giving them greater exposure than allotted to Union societies.

2. That the Officer Training Corps is a branch of the Army, members may be called up for active duty even while in university should the Army claim to be in a ‘national emergency.’ As such, Officer Training Corps cadets constitute a reserve military force which along with other reserve forces, enable the government to engage in a more aggressive foreign policy, deploying its active forces abroad rather than needing to employ active forces in national defense. Officer Training Corps put students under the command of full time military officers.

3. That the chief function of the Officer Training Corps is military recruitment.

4. That this Union has already passed several motions condemning UCL’s financial involvement in the military industry.

5. That Cambridge Students Union banned the Officer Training Corps from its freshers events in 1999.

6. That UCL Union already has a standing policy against investment in companies that produce weapons for the military.


This union believes:

1. That providing the Officer Training Corps stalls at Freshers Faire alongside official Union societies, amounts to an implied endorsement of the Corps and the Army and their activities, by the Union. It further provides the Officer Training Corps direct access to all UCL students interested in Union organized activities at the Freshers Faire, directly aiding Officer Training Corps recruitment.

2. That because the British military under the Labour Government is currently engaged in an aggressive war overseas, for the Union to use its resources to encourage students to join the military or participate in military recruitment activities at this time would give political and material support to the war.

3. That it is inconsistent for the Union to lobby UCL to end its involvement with companies that provide weapons for the military, as is Union policy, while the Union is actively involved in promoting organizations that provide officers for the military.

4. That the Union should not endorse or promote the Officer Training Corps, the military or the foreign policy of the Labour government and the Bush white house.

This union resolves:

1. To ban the Officer Training Corps and Territorial Army from Freshers Faire, ReFreshers Faire, and all other UCL Union organized events.

2. To prohibit any military recruitment activity at UCL Union events and premises.

3. To give no platform for military, paramilitary, military reserve, officer training, or other organizations whose primary mission is to conduct or glorify war.

4. To mandate all UCL Union representatives to University of London Union to lobby ULU to ban the Officer Training Corps and other military recruiters from its freshers events and to remove the link to the Officer Training Corps from its website.


Proposer: Sham Rajyaguru

Seconders:

Edward Hood
Rachel Page
Tom Elliot
Arabel Luscombe
Alex Jordan
Sara Hall
Craig Griffiths
Simon Bull
Maggie Gray
Michael Barnett

*******.

Point 2- Utter rubbish, because the UOTC cadet has no call-up liability at all. Even a group A TA soldier has no call-up liability whilst in full-time education.

Point 3- The UOTC charter states the main aim as "Promoting an understanding of the army among future captains of industry". There is pressure to recruit, but the stated aim is promoting an understanding of the army among the great unwashed student population.

The rest of what they say is irrelevant piffle.

The best cure for these people would be to send in a batallion of angry jocks with CS, BRGs and hickory sticks. I'm not certain that this course of action would allow the otc access to the freshers fayre but it would give some people the great pleasure of smacking these ungrateful scrotes about.
 
#12
Let them ban it...... I am sure that if you suggested closing the Muslim youth movement group, it would make the front page of every newspaper..... the very fact that the OTC takes on all comers from all faiths and political leanings and allows people to learn the basics of self respect, team dynamics and how to enjoy life away from the trappings of PS3 and Xbox seems to be neither here nor there to tunnel vision tainted lefty student unions. I bet you half of the names on the said list come from families who have never had a military connection or have come in on the sly. Never mind.... I am sure the future of our country is secure with these spineless, small minded and quite frankly disrespectful idiots who call themselves the voices of the university.... Let them wallow in it.
 
#14
craftsmanx said:
I may be wrong but I think the Students Union is the only union in the country that is allowed to run a closed shop. I seem to remember years ago as a Mature Student (Part Time) Iit was a condition of registration that I joined the union. Perhaps if the government stopped this practice we'd see how many students actually want to be in the union as apposed to how many want to use the subsidised barsIOncidentally although the proposer had a "foreign" name it's pretty obvious that the ten seconders didn't so let's not start another anti-foreigner rant with no evidence.

There's a few Unions around the country which got so fed up with NUS that they disafilliated, and now do their own thing. I can't remember which ones they were.
 
#16
Pronto-Mike said
I read a few weeks ago that one of the US Universities in California tried this, by refusing to renew the lease of the US Marine Recruiting Office allowed, by state law, to operate an office on campus. The state legislative board suggested that, as they did not want "government" troop recruitment, perhaps they should not be allowed the 3.5 million dollars they received annually from "government funding" either.

Hear hear
 
#18
overpromoted said:
craftsmanx said:
I may be wrong but I think the Students Union is the only union in the country that is allowed to run a closed shop. I seem to remember years ago as a Mature Student (Part Time) Iit was a condition of registration that I joined the union. Perhaps if the government stopped this practice we'd see how many students actually want to be in the union as apposed to how many want to use the subsidised barsIOncidentally although the proposer had a "foreign" name it's pretty obvious that the ten seconders didn't so let's not start another anti-foreigner rant with no evidence.

There's a few Unions around the country which got so fed up with NUS that they disafilliated, and now do their own thing. I can't remember which ones they were.
No longer a closed shop at those institutions that still have NUS either (though certainly was when I did my first degree in the late eighties). Second time round I declined their kind offer to join (late 90s).
 
#19
They have banned the OTC from UCL before. All it means is that they can't put up a stand in the cloisters or the SU on Gordon St. That didn't stop the OTC from erecting a 12x12 and parking a 105mm Light Gun on the Quad and recruiting from there the year I joined.
 
#20
I seem to recall when I was doing a recruiting job that UCL was always a tough nut to crack. We still went, but there was very little pick up apart from those that are actually interested and in general there was quite an anti forces feel.

Oddly enough I was asked a number of questions by a group of individuals that were not white about the chances in joining MI5. Strangely enough I could not answer those questions, but they did seem genuinely interested if not fully understanding of the roles of this organisation.

The most anti feeling I was given was from a lecturer who sat next to the stand and displayed an anti war banner. We let him crack on until the end of his lunch break and then he departed. Freedom of speech and all that.

In general, UCL was not a great recruiting ground, which was well known by RG at the time. Flash in the pan I expect.
 

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