Military convictions V Civvy convictions

Discussion in 'Police, PMCs, Security' started by wet_blobby, Jan 7, 2013.

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  1. As Military law seems to be featuring quite a bit in the papers and on these boards I was wondering if someone in the know could tell me why the ACPO throws up my military conviction (Drunk at sea, Captains table, loss of good conduct and 21 days no 9 punishment) from 20 years ago but not any Civvy ones when I have to get a police certificate for immigration reasons. Does the rehabilitation of offenders act not apply for military convictions?
     
  2. You should have been Flogged around the Fleet.
     
  3. I was nearly hung from the Yard arm I'll have you know, Jack had a serious sense of humour failure with me.
     
  4. Well you would go calling the Master At Arms the Chief Postman Pat.
     
  5. Probably pissed that he hadn't used enough Rohypnol.
     
  6. As the sentence was not a custodial one it should surely evaporate after five years according to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, get your brief onto it!
     
  7. That's my point, it hasn't and I get the joy of paying the ACPO thirty odd quid a pop to spurt out a report about me getting done by Pusser 20 years ago.
     
  8. What he said - get a lawyer, but preferably research the act yourself - its not that big. ROA does not apply to subject access reports (if that's what you mean by an ACPO police report) though - they're just a straightforward list what's still on PNC.

    If not a Subject Access and you got a disclosure cert from CRB et al and you had a military con disclosed - look into it very, very carefully - your con may have been disclosed in error.

    Also, consider that weeding periods are different for certain types of con - that said, military cons are v.rarely weeded as mil plod are bloody lazy at removing them.



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  11. When I moved to Aus I got a printout that said I had a conviction recorded for a civilian offense for something that was dealt with under Sect 69 I.e. completely different to what I was actually charged with.

    It hasn't really made any difference to me up to now, but how would I get the recorded corrected?

    Happy to PM a few details to anyone with relevant advice!


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  12. Sensible answer: Ring the CRB directly on 0870 9090778 (or for you, +44 8709090778 ) and they should be able to tell you what to do.

    ARRSE answer: What did you do, you dodgy bastard?
     
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  13. Operating with no insurance, or failing to produce certificate of same within 30 days when requested in Ireland?
     
  14. Then you should be hung ASAP.
     
  15. We never truly delete someone's records, even if their convictions have "expired" for disclosure purposes under the ROA - they are *always* available to police, even if they happened 50 years ago. However, anything that happened pre-1991(ish) won't be held electronically on the PNC, unless someone has committed an offence after that date.

    If you've asked for a Subject Access Disclosure, i.e. for all the information the police hold on you, well - there you have it. The difference is, we (the fuzz) wouldn't disclose it to a third party if it has expired under ROA. As others have suggested, the best bet is to contact a friendly brief and ask the best way forward. There is no way on earth your conviction for this offence would be disclosable that I can see - in any circumstances. But, by the very nature of the way this information has been supplied to you (correctly, it seems), you can't help but disclose it to a third party.