Mike Jackson

#1
Sir Mike Jackson is due to retire soon. Do you think he fulfilled his role admirably or is he just another "Yessir"?
 
#3
Up until his final job I probably would have agreed with you Drnkbstd however I do not feel he has fought for the Army in a number of areas including legal issues, crap charges against soldiers, FAS, overstretch, equipment, Casualties, etc.

The dissappointment with the POD is all the more acute because he once was a good and strong leader.
 
#5
Whos tipped for CGS now, and is Michael Walker going to get the traditional promotion to Field Marshal, a la Inge?
 
#6
Praetorian said:
Whos tipped for CGS now, and is Michael Walker going to get the traditional promotion to Field Marshal, a la Inge?
Apparently Gen. Sir Richard Dannatt.
 
#7
i agree with Birdie_numnums. he could have done more to fight our corner recently. methinks he wants some form of reward from new labour for being a good boy and not causing a fuss over our recent cuts and changes.
 
#8
How do we know what horrors he may have held off? Look at the clowns he has to deal with, he has made the best out of a number of very bad situations.

Could any of us deal with scum like the government without wanting to seriously grip them?
 
#9
If he did, then he did it very quietly. He gives every impression of someone who believed 100% in what he was asked to do by the Govt, that includes the invasion of Iraq when the British troops were logistically not ready, the downsizing of the British Army when we clearly need more boots on the ground and the latest op in Afg which he signed off even though it was clear to many people that the size and support of the force was to small. Methinks he was too keen to do the bidding of a delusional PM and Govt. I am also worried by his recent statements that appear to accept the casualty rate.

It would help a great deal if he would recognise the overstretch situation that he has helped to create. I am not holding my breath.
 
#10
I dont see what he could have done. He can protest but it his not his job to publicly disagree with his employers, otherwise they would have just replaced him. We are not living in a democracy.
 
#12
from what he said in interviews and in quotes in the press (large pinch of salt on standby) he did seem to push the blair view more than I would have expected for a soldier with his rep.
HOWEVER
as has been pointed out before, the armed forces do the govt's bidding not the other way around so perhaps he was doing the best he could ... perhaps the cuts would have been deeper and the operations more ludicrous without him.
 
#13
Some here are naive. Our surgically enhanced leader suffers from the common condition 'human frailty' and looking out for No. 1 is top of his list. Nowt wrong with that but please don't be surprised like a rabbit in car headlights if he cashes in on this condition. He has a life to lead as well you know. Afterall, he has been answering to a PM that doesn't encourage loyalty and honour...
 
#14
Worked for him on and off in Bosnia.

Decent enough, survived on about 3 hours kip a night fairly regulary because he'd been on the pop. Then the Para in him surfaced and he could be an aggressive arrse.
 
#15
nigegilb said:
His job is to look after his boys.
Wrong (IMHO) his job is to Lead. To get the job done, by a mixture of persuasion, compulsion and example... sound familiar? :)

At the end of the day, he may be CGS... but he's not the PM. more;s the pity that there are few ex military bods in No 10 or the commons / lords.

We will all no doubt have been asked by those above us who run our various train sets, both large and small to do things we will have disagreed with. We do not always see the big picture for many reasons.

I agree with the earlier post which asked what horrors we have been saved from... we'll find out in years to come no doubt.

I am reminded of the Sun Tzu quote...keep your friends close...and your enemies even closer - this may well explain his apparent lack of outspokeness... or indeed such discussion may well have been occuring behind closed doors at whitehall... again no doubt we'll find out in years to come.
 
#16
Mr_Bridger said:
nigegilb said:
His job is to look after his boys.
Wrong (IMHO) his job is to Lead. To get the job done, by a mixture of persuasion, compulsion and example... sound familiar? :)

At the end of the day, he may be CGS... but he's not the PM. more;s the pity that there are few ex military bods in No 10 or the commons / lords.

We will all no doubt have been asked by those above us who run our various train sets, both large and small to do things we will have disagreed with. We do not always see the big picture for many reasons.

I agree with the earlier post which asked what horrors we have been saved from... we'll find out in years to come no doubt.

I am reminded of the Sun Tzu quote...keep your friends close...and your enemies even closer - this may well explain his apparent lack of outspokeness... or indeed such discussion may well have been occuring behind closed doors at whitehall... again no doubt we'll find out in years to come.
Metthinks a book is on the way, Autobiography of a scary looking man... :lol:
 

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#17
We do not have the full story on which to form any realistic opinion. Yes - he might have been seen to be showing more public concern for the lads but that would have resulted in his being sidetracked by B Liar. There was the incident where he told the Yank to get stuffed over a daft order about denying an aurfield to the Russians - this shows he had the steel where it was needed. I was lucky to have known him very well as Adjt 1 Para and he was very impressive. I cannot think that potential just fizzled out and consider he did good by stealth. If there is a book - I'll buy it for sure.
 
#18
I knew both Mike Walker and Mike Jackson,as I am of a similar vintage! Both were outstanding officers.However,once one reaches the heights of CGS/CDS it's more about politics than operations.While they have both done their best for the toms,their political masters ensure that they do not 'speak out of turn',at least in public.Basically,with this government,you're on a beating to nothing as CDS/CGS.The only way of making your point would be to resign,in office,and I don't any serving person would want that.

OldRedCap said:
We do not have the full story on which to form any realistic opinion. Yes - he might have been seen to be showing more public concern for the lads but that would have resulted in his being sidetracked by B Liar. There was the incident where he told the Yank to get stuffed over a daft order about denying an aurfield to the Russians - this shows he had the steel where it was needed. I was lucky to have known him very well as Adjt 1 Para and he was very impressive. I cannot think that potential just fizzled out and consider he did good by stealth. If there is a book - I'll buy it for sure.
 
#19
Jacko was CO 1 Para when I was in so I can only go on what he was like then. He was respected and well liked by both NCO's and toms and he tended to put the lads interests first (having overheard him rip a major a new arrse once because he was making the boys train during the one admin day we had I can tell you it was not pretty). Which is why I'm surprised to read various threads slating him for towing the New Labour line and not sticking up for the blokes. :?

He was a hard task master and expected the blokes to dig out blind when required which we did because he had our respect............the c.ock that took over from him had feck all respect from the lads and used the Battalion as a pure career move, but thats another story.

IIRC the PoD tag originated around the mid 80's after a Battalion review in Bulford, the B Coy skit opened with a coffin in which Jacko emerged as Dracula. :D When he left 1 Para (i think to go to a staff job) he was paraded around the lines in a chair tied to the top of a Haglund with the whole battalion lining the route...............only CO I knew who got that treatment.
 
#20
I think his has been a very difficult job. Being piggy-in-the-middle between the needs and wants of both the Army and the Government. Privately, at times, he must have been absolutely frustrated. I should imagine his close Army colleagues have not envied his position for a minute. I hope he does put pen to paper and write a book on his experiences whilst serving, it would be an intriguing read.

Ice
 

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