Migrant Rescue Ships

Gout Man

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#61
Just make sure you close all the dole offices within 100 miles first.
You can't do that, it's a stupid idea.












You failed to take in to account the geographical location of Liverpool.;)
 
#63
It will never stop as long as corrupt government officials steal foriegn aid and charity money, specifically donated for the relief of hunger, poverty, and job creation. The african continent is rich in gold, oil, copper, diamonds, and rare minerals, controlled by rich industrialist, bankers, and corrupt politicians, in the USA and western Europe, they are responsible for depressed wages, and the wholesale exploitation of the near slave conditions enforced on the local workforces, kick backs, and bribery is rife, That is the problem. The migrant explosion is a manifestation of corruption on a biblical scale. ...De-beers,.. Rio -Tinto -zinc, consolidated goldfields. Rothschild's, and numerous banking organisations are all equally culpable in the un-answerable disaster, that has been festering for decades, and now has exploded out of control.....Oh, and lets not forget war, instigated by organised religion, and old tribal differences.
you missed off the CHINESE who are the absolute worst of the worst for raping Africa, and more recently, Australia of their natural resources - in the case of Africa they obviously bribe corrupt regimes and build a few nice new roads and hey presto! they get all they want at a very cheap price
 
#64
you missed off the CHINESE who are the absolute worst of the worst for raping Africa, and more recently, Australia of their natural resources - in the case of Africa they obviously bribe corrupt regimes and build a few nice new roads and hey presto! they get all they want at a very cheap price
I find it hard to believe that the Aussies would let the chinks march in and help themselves, buy into their stock market, maybe, buy their raw minerals, probably, but do an "Africa" no way.
 
#65
Germany and France push for new solutions as bickering among EU leaders leaves boats carrying refugees adrift at sea.

Italy's far-right Interior Minister Matteo Salvini bluntly told foreign charities on Sunday to stop rescuing migrants and refugees off Libya, where one group said 1,000 people were on boats in distress. Aljazeera this morning,

'Migrants' have been kidnapped and forcibly trafficked by criminal gangs, so they're not all willing emigrants to Europe, but a few among the 1,700+ militias have tried to legitimise and ingratiate themselves into power in Libya, and actually disrupted the people smuggling trade. Someone in Sabratha's Military Council said that "the war that started between human traffickers, snowballed into an ideological and political one”. Militias might be more useful than a bunch of idiot politicos though.

We all know Libya's pretty lawless. It seems to have a profitable cycle of crime and a smuggling economy, particularly kidnappings and ransoming, after militia groups took advantage of the post Gadaffi power and security vacuum (Obama's "greatest mistake"). People are just pieces of meat in North Africa.

The western media and luvvies don't trouble themselves with all that, just the hallelujah grandstanding and tearful Oscars stage routines, 'doing a Gwyneth'. Drips and Gwyneths stand at ports waving with teddy bears. No clue why the migrants are there.

Kidnapping business thrives in Libya

UN imposes sanctions on 6 human traffickers in Libya

Maybe @irlsgt nailed it with locking down Libyan beaches; it worked before. And for the short term, with enough bribes Libyan militia mercs could be the only effective police over there. They booted out radical Islamists and Misratis. Neither the legal government in Libya, nor European governments or the UN have been much good against human trafficking so far and it's almost as if they don't really want to be.
 
#66
Germany and France push for new solutions as bickering among EU leaders leaves boats carrying refugees adrift at sea.

Italy's far-right Interior Minister Matteo Salvini bluntly told foreign charities on Sunday to stop rescuing migrants and refugees off Libya, where one group said 1,000 people were on boats in distress. Aljazeera this morning,

'Migrants' have been kidnapped and forcibly trafficked by criminal gangs, so they're not all willing emigrants to Europe, but a few among the 1,700+ militias have tried to legitimise and ingratiate themselves into power in Libya, and actually disrupted the people smuggling trade. Someone in Sabratha's Military Council said that "the war that started between human traffickers, snowballed into an ideological and political one”. Militias might be more useful than a bunch of idiot politicos though.

We all know Libya's pretty lawless. It seems to have a profitable cycle of crime and a smuggling economy, particularly kidnappings and ransoming, after militia groups took advantage of the post Gadaffi power and security vacuum (Obama's "greatest mistake"). People are just pieces of meat in North Africa.

The western media and luvvies don't trouble themselves with all that, just the hallelujah grandstanding and tearful Oscars stage routines, 'doing a Gwyneth'. Drips and Gwyneths stand at ports waving with teddy bears. No clue why the migrants are there.

Kidnapping business thrives in Libya

UN imposes sanctions on 6 human traffickers in Libya

Maybe @irlsgt nailed it with locking down Libyan beaches; it worked before. And for the short term, with enough bribes Libyan militia mercs could be the only effective police over there. They booted out radical Islamists and Misratis. Neither the legal government in Libya, nor European governments or the UN have been much good against human trafficking so far and it's almost as if they don't really want to be.
But does that mean Western (more than likely European) troops?
 
#67
you missed off the CHINESE who are the absolute worst of the worst for raping Africa, and more recently, Australia of their natural resources - in the case of Africa they obviously bribe corrupt regimes and build a few nice new roads and hey presto! they get all they want at a very cheap price
Its not rape if you give consent, we are making millions off them and some of it is redistributed to the workers, the underground mining industry here in Newcastle is booming, my boy is likely to have a good apprenticeship as an electrician and a job for life in the mines here.

I was reading on the news today about farmers and herdsmen killing each other, its a bloody big country and considering a herder and a farmer could be mutually beneficial, makes you wonder what the hell is going on over there.
 
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#69
No such thing anymore, once a public company gets successful, a vicious takeover by an asset stripping conglomerate is instigated, and the whole company is bought out, and stripped bare, GKN is a good example. The alternative is another bigger company in the same line of work, will offer a merger, on their terms, promise the earth, and deliver nothing, forcing the original company to disappear, E-On done it to CHN in the midlands, a medium size, and very successful electrical and plumbing business employing 100+ personal, bought them out, and months later, it ceased to exist.
 
#70
It will never stop as long as corrupt government officials steal foriegn aid and charity money, specifically donated for the relief of hunger, poverty, and job creation. The african continent is rich in gold, oil, copper, diamonds, and rare minerals, controlled by rich industrialist, bankers, and corrupt politicians, in the USA and western Europe, they are responsible for depressed wages, and the wholesale exploitation of the near slave conditions enforced on the local workforces, kick backs, and bribery is rife, That is the problem. The migrant explosion is a manifestation of corruption on a biblical scale. ...De-beers,.. Rio -Tinto -zinc, consolidated goldfields. Rothschild's, and numerous banking organisations are all equally culpable in the un-answerable disaster, that has been festering for decades, and now has exploded out of control.....Oh, and lets not forget war, instigated by organised religion, and old tribal differences.
You missed the Chinese, who are if anything even worse.
 
#71
But does that mean Western (more than likely European) troops?
No idea mate, probably just more left v. right handbagging, Macron slagging off populists, and Italy shouting at France. Politicos get nowhere again - The End. Tbh I think they're worried about Schengen.

It seems to be a classic blue helmet responsibility. NATO wouldn't put troops on the ground, and UNSMIL Libya looks like a political mission. Besides, good luck with policing North Africa and 2000 bandit gangs.
 
#72
...The african continent is rich in gold, oil, copper, diamonds, and rare minerals, controlled by rich industrialist, bankers, and corrupt politicians, in the USA and western Europe, they are responsible for depressed wages, and the wholesale exploitation of the near slave conditions enforced on the local workforces, kick backs, and bribery is rife ...

Hardly. It's the most expensive cheap labour on the planet. Shrinkage, unproductive work force and constant strike action and union interference despite many large mining and other companies doing their best to comply with govt and union demands.

A big cheese at a certain Japanese car maker where I was the IT monkey once told me it would be cheaper to fly Japanese workers over and put them up in hostels for four months at a time. Productivity would rise and lack of shrinkage and union initiated delays would make it worthwhile.
 

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#73
Earlier this month when there was the first issue of the non landing of Aquarius in Italy or Malta, the United spokesperson did state that the 1000 odd souls on board had been rescued by 6 different commercial vessels under the usual rules of the sea. They were then cross shipped to the NGO vessel as otherwise it would have interfered with the landing of those vessels.
Ironically enough when they were accepted by Spain, they were then cross shipped to Italian Navy and Coast Guard ships for the journey
 
#74
This is my response posted in the other thread about migrants.

As I have said before ALL of the so called life saving ships, which in are in reality just an excuse for the moronic "dogooders" from all over Europe, to flout and deliberately break immigration laws by enabling the hordes of freeloaders from mainly sub Saharan Africa to rock up in Europe to claim all the freebies their mates who did it earlier, have told them about on their smart phones.
These ships should be impounded as soon as they arrive in Europe, then destroyed, the crew arrested and passengers returned, forcibly if necessary, to the shore they left. The so called Charities that fund/sponsor them should all be closed, all assets seized and their employees jailed and have their assets seized as well to help pay for the cost & damage those who arrived earlier have caused.
Unless something akin to this happens we will continue to see more possibly even an increase in this lunacy in the months & years to come :-(
 
#75
still in cell phone range, call the relevant charity in Italy for one of th
On a few occasions I've heard Chancellor Merkel say that Germany must repay its debt to Europe for the Second World War. I believe she lived in the East until the wall came down. She would have been exposed to large amounts of communist propaganda regarding Nazi atrocities. She appears to be buying off her own guilt with her citizens' money.



People trafficking is exactly what this is. I read that the rubber boats full of migrants go a short distance off shore then, still in cell phone range, call the relevant charity in Italy for one of their "rescue" boats to be picked up. The migrant boats are not in distress, no mayday is broadcast and there is no risk to life. It's simply a rendezvous at sea. Hence the Italians can legally deny them entry.



I think they can't legally return them to Libya due to the state the country is in. As the Italians say, Malta is often the closest port. Because they haven't been rescued, the migrants have no more right of entry to a Maltese port than cruise ship passengers would have a right of entry to a North Korean port.

This is growing into a bigger and bigger mess. To stop it, the European authorities will have to stop the incentives that cause people to risk their lives in unseaworthy inflatables. Stop the NGOs providing a free taxi service. Stop allowing immigrants to settle on mainland Europe. Stop the welfare benefits. Stop the free housing. Stop irregular work being available. Do this and the problem will stop.
Agreed but it would be good to get some data / proof of the mobile phone RV's. I don't doubt that this is very likely and I know for a fact that they are picked up within 40 or 50Km from shore (see a few posts up for their transponder data) but it is very important to get our facts straight on this or end up the way of Time magazines recent fake news debacle (lying and misrepresenting story of child imprisonment in Trumps slave labour camps).

With regards to not being able to return them to Libya, maybe but how about Tunisia?
 
#77
I’d agree there is no right answer.

Secure the Libyan beaches?
The right answer is to stop european's involved in people trafficking and then genuine asylum seekers can apply for asylum at the nearest european embassy (in their own region - not via people trafficking to european territory) and economic migrants can apply for a visa via that same embassy.

If they wont follow these simple rules then why would we want people like that here anyway? If they can't deal with making an application at an embassy then how can we expect them to follow our rules and fit in when they get here?
 
#78
Tunisia is a contender but it has major problems when it comes to refugees. Other than being a growing launch pad for migrants itself, Tunisia doesn’t really have any legal framework for refugees and asylum seekers, does it ? Bidders and bandits will bring their own solutions, at a price, but considering the state of MENA and lawless Libya, atm, a common workable policy on asylum looks way off.
 
#79
Tunisia is a contender but it has major problems when it comes to refugees. Other than being a growing launch pad for migrants itself, Tunisia doesn’t really have any legal framework for refugees and asylum seekers, does it ? Bidders and bandits will bring their own solutions, at a price, but considering the state of MENA and lawless Libya, atm, a common workable policy on asylum looks way off.
Offer them SH1TLOADS of cash, they'll then develop a framework pretty damn quickly.
 
#80
Offer them SH1TLOADS of cash, they'll then develop a framework pretty damn quickly.
Nonsense, the finest political minds are on the case right now, and they're not just wrestling and having food fights.
I think you'll find...okay it's sh1tloads of cash.
 

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