Migrant Rescue Ships

#41
On a few occasions I've heard Chancellor Merkel say that Germany must repay its debt to Europe for the Second World War. I believe she lived in the East until the wall came down. She would have been exposed to large amounts of communist propaganda regarding Nazi atrocities. She appears to be buying off her own guilt with her citizens' money.



People trafficking is exactly what this is. I read that the rubber boats full of migrants go a short distance off shore then, still in cell phone range, call the relevant charity in Italy for one of their "rescue" boats to be picked up. The migrant boats are not in distress, no mayday is broadcast and there is no risk to life. It's simply a rendezvous at sea. Hence the Italians can legally deny them entry.



I think they can't legally return them to Libya due to the state the country is in. As the Italians say, Malta is often the closest port. Because they haven't been rescued, the migrants have no more right of entry to a Maltese port than cruise ship passengers would have a right of entry to a North Korean port.

This is growing into a bigger and bigger mess. To stop it, the European authorities will have to stop the incentives that cause people to risk their lives in unseaworthy inflatables. Stop the NGOs providing a free taxi service. Stop allowing immigrants to settle on mainland Europe. Stop the welfare benefits. Stop the free housing. Stop irregular work being available. Do this and the problem will stop.

It will never stop as long as corrupt government officials steal foriegn aid and charity money, specifically donated for the relief of hunger, poverty, and job creation. The african continent is rich in gold, oil, copper, diamonds, and rare minerals, controlled by rich industrialist, bankers, and corrupt politicians, in the USA and western Europe, they are responsible for depressed wages, and the wholesale exploitation of the near slave conditions enforced on the local workforces, kick backs, and bribery is rife, That is the problem. The migrant explosion is a manifestation of corruption on a biblical scale. ...De-beers,.. Rio -Tinto -zinc, consolidated goldfields. Rothschild's, and numerous banking organisations are all equally culpable in the un-answerable disaster, that has been festering for decades, and now has exploded out of control.....Oh, and lets not forget war, instigated by organised religion, and old tribal differences.
 
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#42
It will never stop as long as corrupt government officials steal foriegn aid and charity money, specifically donated for the relief of hunger, poverty, and job creation. The african continent is rich in gold, oil, copper, diamonds, and rare minerals, controlled by rich industrialist, bankers, and corrupt politicians, in the USA and western Europe, they are responsible for depressed wages, and the wholesale exploitation of the near slave conditions enforced on the local workforces, kick backs, and bribery is rife, That is the problem. The migrant explosion is a manifestation of corruption on a biblical scale. ...De-beers,.. Rio -Tinto -zinc, consolidated goldfields. Rothschild's, and numerous banking organisations are all equally culpable in the un-answerable disaster, that has been festering for decades, and now has exploded out of control.....Oh, and lets not forget war, instigated by organised religion, and old tribal differences.
The boats are been financed by the same people, who at source are encouraging the movement.

The people most likely to pickup a weapon, are on a boat to Europe, so less chance of civil war. Those same officials are encouraging excess populations to move and its a win win, as the majority of the European populations are desperate to virtue signal there love of migrants, as they move to the countryside...
 
#43
Pragmatic and workable, @Ancient_Mariner. However NGOs including the big-hitters are card carrying associates of the UN family, funded by investors and massive grassroots support. They're a law unto themselves with committees and sub-committees for migration (CoM and ConGO), including the NGO Committee on Migration (New York) "in accordance with UN policy" for UN member states (they say). They're not going to change their ways and neither will these NGO pirates with more than 95% private donations enabling them to keep going. QED.

Exploitation of migrants and refugees is reprehensible; there's no doubt that people are fleeing chaos and that most want a better life. They are ripped off and abused. Fair enough. We don't need militant lobby groups to teach us about humanity. But how do people-traffickers and lethal maritime taxis for all-comers, help migrants, or struggling states and inevitable civil unrest, exactly?

There are numerous NGO committees, pressure groups and self-organised activists, like the High Level Summit Civil Society Action Committee with dozens of NGOs. Add to that, "Global Compact", human and labour mobility agendas, aka general migration and development lobbies. What they want, is for migrants to have the same rights as refugees, ready for a UN High-level Dialogue on Human Mobility and Migration in 2020. Free movement, no borders and no boundaries. SOS MEDITERRANEE for instance has established a network in Europe – Germany, France, Italy and Switzerland.

These Civil Society network agendas (50 organizations and networks) include the protection and promotion of migrants’ human rights in accordance with the United Nations Charter; and action on Xenophobia & Social Inclusion. In effect it's global civil societies crying "right-wing interference" and "populism" - versus individual governments and sovereign states who can, at best, defy these parasites that are weaponising the youth, useful idiots, war and poverty to realise their global compact vision. Ask yourself why activists are always so damned smug.

As a result, these pressures on struggling European states may well lead to bankruptcies and collapse. The UN and its flunkies of course, promise bribes and financial assistance, and never enough.

One German NGO (Jugend Rettet) had to stop operations because their ship (Iuventa) was seized by the Italian authorities. In the face of these relentless people-trafficking clowns and their ignorance of codes of conduct or international conventions: Italy et al have reached the end of their tether.
 
#44
These ships being used by NGO Charities etc, why cant the Insurance Lloyds etc refuse insurance ? If insurance is granted then they should pay the costs of the Country who is guilted to take them. I'm sure a dip in profits will bring an end to this crime, it is a crime to smuggle/traffic human beings is it not
Hasn't our own Royal Navy also been complicit in this as well?
 
#45
I am torn between putting this in int cell or Naafi, will try here first.

The MV Aquarius and the Lifeline I suppose are amongst other Charity ships operating in the Med to assist MENA migrants into Europe.

They are doing it under the virtue of rescuing people but let's face it, they are doing it for the sole reason of assisting people smuggling.

These Charities ships, once embarked with hundreds of migrants seeking European benefits become floating political tools, like right now trying to seek Malta take in illegal immigrants, will the charity pay for their stay in Malta and process to an accepting country and benefits? Or have they caused the issue they set out to once they drop off the migrants and sail off to smuggle some more unwanted?

This influx is not helping solve the problem, instead of one changing one huge 3rd world in Africa, we are just exporting problems elsewhere.

Why do these Charity people smugglers have to head north, can they not drop the migrants back into North Africa where perhaps they can use some of their money to improve the standard of living over there? I'm sure if the Chinese work for pennies the Africans can and become a formidable economy?
I'm left wondering why the facilities of Cork are never troubled by the needs of these vessls?
 
#46
Donald Trump and the Italian PM have taken a leaf out of history to find a solution.

 
#47
Which North African country is going to donate a large area of territory for the camp, knowing full well that, at some stage (when the next crisis erupts), the UN will withdraw financial support and they'll be left to provide for the welfare of the refugees.

And it still won't stop traffickers. In fact, it'll make it easier for them with their customers all being in one place.
Somewhere like Touat Adir in Algeria, outside town miles and miles of SFA.
 
#48
It will never stop as long as corrupt government officials steal foriegn aid and charity money, specifically donated for the relief of hunger, poverty, and job creation. The african continent is rich in gold, oil, copper, diamonds, and rare minerals, controlled by rich industrialist, bankers, and corrupt politicians, in the USA and western Europe, they are responsible for depressed wages, and the wholesale exploitation of the near slave conditions enforced on the local workforces, kick backs, and bribery is rife, That is the problem. The migrant explosion is a manifestation of corruption on a biblical scale. ...De-beers,.. Rio -Tinto -zinc, consolidated goldfields. Rothschild's, and numerous banking organisations are all equally culpable in the un-answerable disaster, that has been festering for decades, and now has exploded out of control.....Oh, and lets not forget war, instigated by organised religion, and old tribal differences.
These days China is more likely.
 
#49
The migrants or the smugglers are intentionally placing themselves in peril because they know they will be rescued. It will only stop if they are not rescued, or if they are rescued and taken back to North Africa.
In many cases the migrants don’t realise how far the EU is from Libya

The smugglers of course don’t care they have the money


The simple solution is to return the migrants to the port of origin.
It will be harsh for a while but it will fairly quickly stop the boats.
As it stands at the moment, all the trafficers have to do is get the boat outside the 3 mile limit where they will be scooped up by the "rescue boats" and given a free ride to Europe.
I would like to know who is financing these boats as I know that ships are not cheap to operate, even smaller ones.
Except that port is a beach in Libya.

In fairness, if I was in Libya currently I might give it a go.

Mind you, those buggers did have something to flee from. I don't see the current eflux from Africa through the same prism.
In fairness, many of them are coming from countries that aren’t nice safe places to live especially if your from specific groups.

Are all the asylum seekers from those groups or countries? No

I understand your sentiment and respect your desire to remain balanced on this, it´s helpful, however if you look at the transponder data and track the ¨Rescue¨ ships, it is unsurprising that so many of of the economic migrants are attempting the journey.

What the rescue ships should be doing, supported by international and maritime law is taking the passengers back tot he nearest safe port. They are not doing that, they are bringing them all the way across the Med which is the most dangerous part of the journey (not anymore).
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In fairness, if you are in the SAR business you are going to go where the customers (so to speak) are.

The main word there being safe (as in safe port). Libya isn’t.




I’d agree there is no right answer.

Secure the Libyan beaches?
 
#50
Does anybody know what happens to those very large inflatables the people smugglers use to send the human cargo on its way? Once a 'rescue' vessel has picked up the new intake, are the boats taken onboard? Are they scuttled or is somebody put onboard to take them back to shore for re-use - recycling being a favourite subject of the fluffies?
 
#51
Does anybody know what happens to those very large inflatables the people smugglers use to send the human cargo on its way? Once a 'rescue' vessel has picked up the new intake, are the boats taken onboard? Are they scuttled or is somebody put onboard to take them back to shore for re-use - recycling being a favourite subject of the fluffies?
The navy types sink them not sure about NGOs
 
#53
Why does nobody ever think of the societies that are being denuded of money they desperately need as well as people? The liberal 'help the migrants' lot never think about that, do they?
 
#54
snip...Secure the Libyan beaches? ...snip
If you follow Libyan news: that worked, once. Civil militias alleged to include 'Battalion 48', or the Wadi Brigade, or Anas Dibbashi Brigade, backed by the UN ("GNA"), and Italian funding allegedly (well, they have had 80% of migrants), were doing just that nine months ago.

They account for the drastic drops in numbers getting away from Sabratha/Sabratah (they're also smuggled from al-Wadi) to the med coast last year. To bore everybody some more, Libyan Prime Minister Fayez al-Serraj (who's popular and very useful in Washington) "allowed Italian vessels to enter Libyan waters to disrupt trafficking routes" but it appears the Italians denied it.

Militias were being paid off to police migrant trafficking instead of conducting their smuggling stock-in-trade. The mercenaries weren't angels and there were battles over control of migrant routes. They actually pissed off anti-IS fighters and a few others who were all losing trade, so they had to go.

The Italian government has taken action against "rescue missions" because NGOs are essentially facilitators for illegal migration, but they're mainly ideological buffoons. Numerous Libyan Brigade militias are people-smuggling, besides Eritreans/East Africans living in Tripoli and Salafi armed groups in Tripoli, Sebha and Kufra. Not forgetting radical Salafi Madkhalists and Nigerian brokers.

You get a feel for the 'level' of scrotes involved in highly lucrative people trafficking. With the right tinfoil hat one might see other actors, devious skulduggery and hidden agendas from some surprising, 'squeaky clean' quarters.

This all just highlights the lack of coherent strategies, it measures UN effectiveness, and also suggests that all efforts against rogue states and international bandits, have so far proved futile. If we stop the Libyan and African bandits, and the world migration crisis, you still have to deal with legitimised angry global activist committees, with vast pools of public income. Again, activists and immigration campaigners look smug.

Most Libyan militias involved in illegal migration activities nominally affiliated to official state security institutions: UN Libya Experts Panel report

The New Arab, Sept 2017:
The Times cited anonymous security officials in Tripoli who alleged that a deal had taken place between Battalion 48, Italy and the Anas al-Dabbashi Militia to prevent the boats from departing. The latter group, led by Ahmed al-Dabbashi (also known as "al-Ammu" [the Uncle]) has been identified by the UN as one of the main facilitators of human smuggling and trafficking on the Libyan coast. His brother reportedly leads Battalion 48. To many, therefore, this looks like a payoff.
Armed force claims victory in Libyan migrant smuggling hub

Cheers.
 
#56
Does anybody know what happens to those very large inflatables the people smugglers use to send the human cargo on its way? Once a 'rescue' vessel has picked up the new intake, are the boats taken onboard? Are they scuttled or is somebody put onboard to take them back to shore for re-use - recycling being a favourite subject of the fluffies?
This was on Lesbos three years ago.
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