Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by PartTimePongo, Feb 4, 2007.
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"...The invasion of Iraq has paradoxically also served to bring an end to the era of US diplomatic primacy in the Middle East..."
It's not the invasion, but Bush's absolute unwillingness to engage in diplomatic activity at the level of any of his predecessors that's killed US diplomatic primacy.
US diplomatic initiatives and diplomacy in general, once a major part of implementing our foreign policy, is now on life support hopefully to be revived by the next administration.
Who do we think can or will step into the breach then?
I don't see US primacy ending for a while yet, but I'm quite worried about what might come afterwards.
It's worth a bet that the French and the Russians will both try - by promising the earth
Allegedly, in response to an Iranian offer to cease all support for Hamas, Hezbollah and to work with the US to stabilise Iraq post invasion, Cheney replied, "we don't talk to evil."
If true, it's quite clear that he, and the Bush regime as a whole, have a very narrow understanding of the word 'evil'; probably best translated as, 'we don't like you - so you're evil.'
I think Virgil has it right. Lebanon last year gave the US a golden opportunity to re-establish (good) links with the Arab world restore some of its lost influence. It chose to do the complete opposite.
Yes, it is not the invasion. The real causes are global geopolitical processes. While American might mainly remains unchanged, influence, abilities of many other countries are on the rise. And even ms.Rice - top Amrerican diplomat is unable to do anything (and understands it btw).
If it's over, then US 'diplomatic primacy in the Middle East' would seem to have been relatively short-lived. When could you date it from: the Carter Doctrine and Camp David? Less then 30 years then???
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And why should the US or the West remain dominant forever?
I can see a future Middle East where the Muslim Brotherhood, the most populist grass-roots movement in the Arab world, take power in Egypt, Syria and Jordan, backed up by a nuclear-capable Iran.
This bloc could ally itself with a newly assertive China, Russia and India.
The Spams and their Zionist pals would do well to make peace before that era arrives.
And I must say Taz the Muslim Brotherhood from my experience are very well adjusted, politically literate, and amiable fellows...
(oh...and very good hosts )
I could not fail to disagree with you less!
In any free election the MB would win by a landslide and therein lies the dilemma for the West.
Continue to prop up unelected autocrats or encourage democratic reform knowning it would lead to more power for a party hostile to Western interests?
Hey did you know Dr Tariq Ramadan is the grandson of Hassan el-Banna?
I met him last week, a fascinating individual!
You don't like the MB? I thought they were fine when I met some of them in Aegypt. I haven't met Dr. Ramadan, but I did pop some calligraphy in his inbox via Oxford Uni.
What are you problems with the MB?
I do like them, read my first sentence properly
ahhhh....you got me
I recall retaking my declaration of faith at Al Ahzar to get some papers (which have now gone westward ) to make Umrah. When I first became muslim I always used to add Jesus' and Moses' name after Muhammad (i.e. I declare that Muhammad, Jesus, and Moses were messengers of God) much to the annoyance of some people who accused me of innovating. So imagine my glee when I was taken by an MB associate to Al Ahzar and the Sheik made me recite the Kalima in Arabic, and just as I thought we'd finished, and with a glint in his eye he added 'And Jesus was a messenger of God and Moses was a messenger of God', took me by suprise
Anyone remember the Arab socialist movement resulting in "united" Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Syria in various combinations?
And a monkey could fly out of your ass singing "Hail Britannia"; anything's theoretically possible I suppose.
Frankly when the oil demand runs dry, the Muslim Arabs would do well to make peace with the 21st century and modernization. The risk is they will be relegated to permanent hovel not superpower status.
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