Michael Mansfield - defender of British Freedom

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  1. I can't believe it. I'm agreeing with a man whose past actions and opinions have almost led me to the point of hiring a hitman (couldn't afford it, though, not on my pension): Leading lawyer attacks Blair's 'insidious' human rights reforms

    "Walter Wolfgang [the heckler at the Labour Party conference] was removed ... under the Terrorism Act and a lady was arrested and convicted in Whitehall under the same Act for reading out the names of the Iraq dead. It is the use of laws in relation to freedom of speech to control the public."

    "We are on the road to an unhealthy democracy with a centralised, controlled media and no accountability. The only way to reverse the trends is to use the democratic means available and not re-elect them."

    On the other hand, it has been his ilk who've done most to influence the country's greasier politicians towards central control by 'new' socialism and its project managers. Maybe he's feeling the pressure now that there aren't any Provos to defend.
  2. It would be a good sign but the guy is a bulsh1tter and has an attention problem

    "We’re going back to trial by torture. Allowing CIA flights across British air space with suspects on board nailed to floor by their feet is horrendous. The US think they can ignore the Geneva Convention and we are colluding with them. Turning a blind eye was how fascism prospered in the 1930s."

    Anything for publicity

    Attention seeking sh1t...he is a lawyer, thats all there is to it.
  3. The same Michael Mansfield (vis a vis Your pension - lack of Hit Man) Half a Mil to prove what ?

    Mr. Spellar: Up to end June 2003 the cash spend by the Northern Ireland Office on the Bloody Sunday Inquiry was a total of £89.2 million. Out of this amount £7.962 million has been spent on the payment of fees to counsel representing the families or the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association. These figures are set out in the table and include VAT, where that is paid, and in most cases, expenses as well as fees.

    The fees of Ministry of Defence counsel are a matter for my right hon. friend the Secretary of State for Defence.

    Payments made (£) Period coveredFromTo
    Senior counsel representing the families(29)
    Lord Gifford 553,062 October 1998 January 2003
    Arthur Harvey 767,362 July 1998 January 2003
    Michael Lavery 435,024 November 2000 December 2002
    B. J. MacDonald(30) 513,755 September 1998 September 2002
    P. T. MacDonald(31) 65,800 April 1998 June 1999
    Michael Mansfield 457,261 March 1999 November 2002 Elish McDermott 105,309 March 2000 June 2001
    Seamus Treacy(32) 600,492 March 1998 December 2002
    Eoin McGonigal 82,446 October 2000 June 2002

    Senior counsel representing NICRA
    Sir Louis Blom-Cooper 306,541 December 2000 October 2002

    Junior counsel representing the families(33)
    John Coyle 272,473 September 1999 January 2003
    Fiona Doherty 193,824 October 2000 October 2002
    Ciaran Harvey 349,105 December 2000 December 2002
    Richard Harvey 331,733 October 2000 August 2002
    Brian Kennedy 546,694 July 1999 March 2003
    Philip Magee(34) 83,175 June 1998 September 2000
    Kieran Mallon 658,899 March 1999 May 2003
    Brian McCartney 640,261 July 1998 April 2003
    Karen Quinlivan 179,147 March 1999 December 2001
    Patricia Smyth(35) 328,719 October 1998 June 2002
    Mary McHugh 123,972 February 2002 October 2002
    Michael Topolski(36) 139,940 November 2000 June 2001

    Junior counsel representing NICRA
    Paddy O'Hanlon 227,728 November 2000 October 2002
  4. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator


    Your point is?

    You get paid for your work. Lawyers get paid too - I agree in our eyes sometimes too much - but his job was to act for an individual after the Crown (in proper speak or HMG in fact - take your pick) decided that an inquiry was needed.

    Please note also he was acting for a soldier in this case.
  5. ITCS,

    My point is that the Man gets paid for working both sides against each other

    "Politically he is old Labour. Such is his disillusionment with the Blairites, he donated £1,000 to a candidate for Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party before the 1997 general election"

    "The Birmingham Six, alleged IRA bomber Judith Ward, Tottenham Three and the Bridgewater Four established his reputation as a fierce anti-establishment cavalier in the mould of the US civil rights lawyer Clarence Darrow. "

    Source - bbc.co.uk/news

    I don't hold a lot of truck for IRA defenders
  6. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    God, man. You are niave - he is a lawyer!

    Do bears sh1t in woods? Course they do. Why would you expect a lawyer to follow the same honour code as us. Never!

    All you need to look at for another fine pair of examples are the inhabitants of No 10. Both lawyers and at least one of them is as reprehensable in action as our mate here..

    I leave it to you to decide which one. :lol:
  7. What are your rates, M-S?
  8. Cheapseats, is the reprehensible one, the successful lawyer, or the politician who has been responsible for what will go down in history as the worst administration since Charles 1st said that God was on his side?
  9. 27 March 1985 Anthony Dacre (25) nfNI
    Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
    Killed by remote controlled bomb, hidden behind door, detonated when British Army (BA


    My apologies, I have a wee bit of a thing with IRA (et al) apologists. Dates F**K Me too.

    21 Years yesterday on a two year tour a Friend was slaughtered. I remember 1980/82 a shitty old Red Toyota, Tony driving the three of us to a Berlin SAAM, three of us half cut sharing an electic razor, the joy of youth; curry wurst and how mad Montgomery Barracks was.

    Tony lies with a Soldiers stone, overlooking Lake Windermere in Bowness on Windermere.You play tourist in the Lake District lay a flower. Up hill on the left (about half way up) Beautiful view.

    Irony.....a Northern Regiment...he came from Essex
  10. Condolences. If I'm ever that way I'll do exactly as you say.

    On the Mansfield issue, however, both he and Gareth Peirce are doing what they think's right. I don't know about you, but I did what I did for 22 years so people could do just that.

    In re the IRA, if the government of the day thinks they should be treated like criminals, that kind of implies a right to defence, no?