MI6 Naive Attitude towards Taliban

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by beemer007, Nov 26, 2010.

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  1. Beemer, unless you have a mole on the inside, you'll never know.
     
  2. Look at it another way - SIS have been in the business for a very long time. How often do we get stories of failure, and how often do their successes go unreported? Unless you are in the know, you'll never know.
     
  3. Its not like they have a Mr O Bin Laden or that Omar dude, on speed-dial who they can phone and ask if the potential imposter is one of his cronies now is it.
     
  4. msr

    msr LE

    And still seem to have royally muffed this up...

    Why should they be any more efficient than any other large, public sector organisation?

    msr
     
  5. Given that MI6's record of incompetence stretches back to WW1 when they were founded I'm sure they would find a way to trumpet any success they had. I believe that they were bigged up in WW2 as a cover for Ultra. Even their authorised history "MI6: The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949" by Keith Jeffrey doesn't exactly paint a rosy picture.
     
  6. BrunoNoMedals

    BrunoNoMedals LE Reviewer

    When I read the article I just saw the phrase "Afghan president Karzai claims..." and immediately dismissed it.
     

  7. In the same way you would expect the army to be effecient, you would expect MI6 and MI5 to that matter to be effecient as they have a duty to our national defense.

    Off course the bigger the organisation, the harder it is to spot mistakes lower down the organisation.
     
  8. Including the army? Actually I'd suggest that the military is as good as any organisation because the answer to this question in my opinion is that the lowest level must have a sense of commitment and responsibility. How you achieve that is the holy grail of leadership and is probably particularly difficult in an organisation where ground level operatives are selected for an ability to lie.
     
  9. opsec you chopper
     
  10. The problem SIS and the BSS have is that if they get their job right, they cant exactly tell anyone about it. Its very easy to parade failings, as these are the things that become public. Yes SIS has had some embarrassing moments, and yes some things have gone wrong, but show me any HUMINT based organisation, either Government or Defence based, anywhere in the world, or in history, which has had a perfect success rate and zero failings.

    People dont seem to get that in this business, if you reveal successes, then they can be traced. If they get traced, people can die. Its that simple. Its not like SIGINT where you can more easily verify stuff - the HUMINT world is difficult, challenging and often dangerous. I take my hat off to those people who are doing a job which is often extremely risky, in order to help support UK troops on the ground.

    The other point to consider - if this guy had been real, its likely that the story would never have been broken for fear of compromising s source. Thats why we'll only ever get one side of the story.
     
  11. msr

    msr LE

    Absolutely. If any private organisation was run the way the army is, it would be bankrupt by 1700 tonight.
     
  12. msr

    msr LE


    But surely it is day 1, week 1 stuff to verify that the bloke you are handing hundreds of thousands of dollars to is actually who is says he is?
     

  13. Its ok its going to be revealed in the 7/7 enquiry anyway. MI5 will have to give the truth the whole truth and **** all but the truth....
    And is that Santa I just seen out the window, must be doing a pre-xmas recce.
     
  14. B_A_P

    Were you bummed once in the Vauxhall Tavern and the guards at VX just stood and laughed at you?