MH17: Russia liable for downing airliner over Ukraine

MH17 investigators will name names, Ukrainian minister said

The team investigating the downing of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014 will name the first four suspects at Wednesday’s news conference, Ukraine’s deputy foreign affairs minister Olena Zerkal has told news agency Interfax. Charges against the four will be brought after their names are made public by the Joint Investigation Team, Zerkal said. ‘After that, the criminal court at Schiphol will start working to consider this case,’ she said.
MH17 investigators will name names, Ukrainian minister said - DutchNews.nl - Live
 

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Probably nowhere near as much as the Kyshtym disaster of the same year. Like Chernobyl, ages to order evacuations etc
Kyshtym disaster - Wikipedia
Russia/Soviet Union, two of the three most prominent nuclear disasters ever. Leningrad itself has had a few problems.
Where is Leningrad, and where is Kyshtym? Soviet government evacuated 23 towns and villages, and British one allowed peoples continue to live on contaminated territory.


Yes. First problems with the reactor with Iodine-131 leaks were in 1956, fire was at 10 October and BBC shortly reported about it (if reported) only in 8 November?
 
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In an age where we didn't have the internet and Journalists in the Western World prided themselves on thorough investigatory work.... combined with the time the Govt took to perform it's own official inquiry.... that's not an unreasonable response by the BBC.

The effects on the local environment turned out, over time to not be as severe as feared or was claimed in the years since by the Anti-Nuclear Lobby.

I'm strongly beginning to believe you are nothing more than a Teenage Russian with a warped misunderstanding of the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism who believes, hook line and sinker, the Party Line.

No different from the Generation bred and raised in the 1920s and 30s in another country with almost as patchy a history in times gone by. Either bring some form of intelligent argument and debate to the forum or pack up and go back to school.
 
Yes. First problems with the reactor with Iodine-131 leaks were in 1956, fire was at 10 October and BBC shortly reported about it (if reported) only in 8 November?
English isn’t your strongest subject

It’s an “on this day” page which is short for “on this day in history”

The 8th November part is the inquiry
 
Yes. First problems with the reactor with Iodine-131 leaks were in 1956, fire was at 10 October and BBC shortly reported about it (if reported) only in 8 November?
Problems quoting as well as being mince? The fire was in October '57. The BBC article, less than a month later talks about the initial inquiry:
1957: Inquiry publishes cause of nuclear fire
An inquiry into last month's fire at Cumberland's Windscale nuclear power plant has blamed the accident on a combination of human error, poor management and faulty instruments.

The fire happened on 10 October during a routine maintenance operation.

An unspecified amount of radioactive iodine vapour - iodine 131 - escaped into the atmosphere and on the advice of the health physics manager a ban on the sale of local milk was imposed.

The Committee of Inquiry report made several recommendations including more speedy assessment of risks to public health following such an accident in future.
Meanwhile, Russia aka Soviet Union covered up their nuclear accident at the same time at Kyshtym and it's only mentioned in passing in 1978:
Zhores Medvedev and the battle for truth in Soviet science | Aeon Ideas

Windscale is Level 5. Khyshtym in the same year is level 6, Chernobyl and Fukushima are level 7. Two of the top 3 remain Russia/Soviet Union. It's good to know Russia/Soviet Union leads in something, albeit not anything anyone really wants to lead in. Nuclear accidents:
Nuclear and radiation accidents and incidents - Wikipedia
 
Eugeniy Marchuk, as a person, recognised it. But Ukrainian state (including Ukrainian courts), didn't recognise it.

Bla-bla-bla. I don't see any difference between innocent Unrussian civilians accidentally killed by SA-missile, and innocent Unrussian civilians accidentally killed by AS-missiles (or even ordinary bombs). If you walk in, or fly over battlezone - you should accept risk. If you want to minimise risk - you should avoid battlezones.
Typical troll, when shown the truth change the subject and make it about something else with a load of bollocks. Have to admit though you're really good at the talking bollocks bit.
 
Sure, I have.
1) You can't search for mistakes even in stupid Septic video;
2) You can't use 'Vkontakte';
3) You can't directly prove your current presence in Wiltshire.
4) You don't have access for really free information.
5) You are still parroting stupid Septic propaganda.
That's all personal opinion on your part with no proof to back it up. Oh and by the way you're wrong about Vkontakte we can if we want to and in English or any language we choose as well. It's just a ripoff of facebook so why would we want to.

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That's all personal opinion on your part with no proof to back it up.
It is not my personal opinion. You really cant find (or even start to search) mistakes in Septic psychoproduction. No one from you even tried. You really can't post a picture with a fox on John Lancaster, Washington, DC, vkontacte page.

Oh and by the way you're wrong about Vkontakte we can if we want to and in English or any language we choose as well. It's just a ripoff of facebook so why would we want to.
If it was just a ripoff of FSBook, British government didn't ban it. It have much more liberal censorship (actually, it almost haven't). Sure, if a British citizen feel need in alternative information sources, he can use VPN, but absolute majority of Brits are narrow-mind, uneducated, ignorant and hypocritical fools and they don't need alternative viewpoint. Here is the positive feedback - more stupid you are, less information you need. Less information you need, less skills for infosearching and critical thinking you train - more stupid you are.
And, as we see here, you don't even try to analyse JIT 'investigation' (more sharply - 'poor imitation of investigation').
 

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You do realise that they didn’t know the planes were hijacked and shooting down airliners over a city is not a good idea.
Thats why it is a bad idea to shot down planes only if you are sure that they are hijacked, and it is a good idea to shoot them down before they came close to cities or military bases.
Ok. Lets play game. Imagine, that you is a British general responsible for AAD of Scotland. Your fighters intercepted Iranian civil jet (or, may be, Russian recce or gunship) illegally violated British border and dont responding on radio call, or your fighters maneurs and shooting (yes, your fighter shoot with armor-piercers, not tracers). There are lifes of 300 Persians on one hand, and 66% of the Kingdom's nuclear potential (with tens or hundreds lifes of British servicemen) - on another. What will you choose? Actually, it is already written in the instructions, and red lines are already drawn. Because if you are a British serviceman, you first goal, task and priority is the safety of the United Kingdom (and allies, first of all - USA), not safety of a border violator.
 
Oh, it is just a fact constatation. And yes, if MH17 was really shot down by Russian forces, it was not a big problem for Russians to admit it, or for JIT to make a proper investigation (at least really exclude Ukrainian version).
Posting at 04.49?
Isn't it a school night? You'll be knackered.
Or is it the school holidays?
 
He said, that Russian radars, saw Ukrainian military plane, likely Su-25, and thats can shoot down such target,***** than he ask what was his goal.
And it is very possible, that there really was Su-25. Was he attacking, or not - we don't know, its supposed pilot, Vladislav Voloshin, made suicide later.
Fake picture of 'attack', was demonstrate by journalists, not officials.

***** Providing that target isn't at cruise altitude and speed - Which it was so in fact no it couldn't engage that specific target .
In sure we all look forward to the inevitable Russian SU24s shooting down a Cessna 152 on final approach video - thus proving it can shoot down aircraft and thus could have shot down an entirely different aircraft on a very different flight profile.

In the same way Grenfell towers proves 911 was a controlled demolition - because it didn't collapse from the fire
 

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