MH17: Russia liable for downing airliner over Ukraine

Did you read the materials of the investigation by your own eyes, or just believe them? Do you really believe that YouTube video with unknown source is the evidence good enough for the investigation of a murder?

The same Bellingcat, that believe that Russia have only three intelligence services?
You really are demonstrating YarS level cretinism.

Bellingcat quoted a redacted Parliamentary document.
That document quoted another document out of context.
So, the SIS reported that all three Russian agencies were involved.

How likely is it, do you think, that an earlier paragraph had set the scene by setting out WHICH particular Russian agencies were under discussion, so that they could be collectively discussed later?

Answer- very, because that is how sensible people draft documents.

Unlike cowardly idiots in Russia scrabbling about for illusionary conspiracies and loopholes to hide their guilt behind.
 
Bellingcat quoted a redacted Parliamentary document.
That document quoted another document out of context.
So, the SIS reported that all three Russian agencies were involved.

How likely is it, do you think, that an earlier paragraph had set the scene by setting out WHICH particular Russian agencies were under discussion, so that they could be collectively discussed later?

Answer- very, because that is how sensible people draft documents.
Why, for one, its highly unlikely. First of all, because Ukrainian Civil War is very important, president level problem, so all fourteen main intelligence agenties, and a big number of smaller were involved. Second, because full text of the document is here:
https://sites.google.com/a/independent.gov.uk/isc/files/2016-2017_ISC_AR.pdf
 
Why, for one, its highly unlikely. First of all, because Ukrainian Civil War is very important, president level problem, so all fourteen main intelligence agenties, and a big number of smaller were involved. Second, because full text of the document is here:
https://sites.google.com/a/independent.gov.uk/isc/files/2016-2017_ISC_AR.pdf
Err .. so your response is that the ISC is not credible only because it so seriously UNDERESTIMATED the number of Chekist organisations committing war crimes in the Ukraine?

Is your response REALLY as unbelievably stupid as: "It wasn't just the ones you said it was because we were ALL at it?"

It is a partial quote, of an SIS source, in a document full of redactions. You didn't actually read it, did you? Did your researcher/handler/ carer not have one written in crayon for you?

142. SIS informed us that QUOTE BEGINS “all three Russian intelligence services are tasked with carrying out ‘information operations’ [which] goes beyond promulgating the Russian perspective and includes the creating and propagation of forgeries and falsehoods”. QUOTE ENDS One obvious area is Ukraine, where: Russia conducts information warfare on a massive scale... An early example of this was a hugely intensive, multi-channel propaganda effort to persuade the world that Russia bore no responsibility for the shooting down of [Malaysian Airlines flight] MH-17 (an outright falsehood: we know beyond any reasonable doubt that the Russian military supplied and subsequently recovered the missile launcher).

You really are thick. Seriously, get some help. Get a chicken to help you. It can respond on your behalf, by pecking the keyboard and you can clean it's litter tray.

The quality of the conversation from your side will improve.
You will have something to do that won't stretch you. Probably.
Maybe.
 
Interesting comment from a self-confessed ex-propaganda dog on Quora

Who is responsible for the MH17 incident: Ukraine or Russia?


Dima Vorobiev
, I worked for Soviet propaganda
Answered Thu


On a rare occasion when my propaganda-proofed brain challenges my undivided Russian loyalties and my passionate Putinism, it connects three simple observable facts. President Putin, presiding over one of the best intelligence networks in the human history, somehow happened to never say in public any of three very simple things:
  • “I know who shot down MH17”
  • “I don’t know who shot down MH17”
  • “The insurgents/Ukrainians shot down MH17”
Which, together with the fact of his sudden call to President Obama within hours after the shootdown (remember, it happened outside Russia, to a non-Russian plane, and with no Russians aboard) brings me to a very definite conclusion that I don’t like at all.

......oohhh KGBs.......even your own are breaking ranks - face facts, come-on just admit it, you'll feel better admitting the truth
 
Interesting comment from a self-confessed ex-propaganda dog on Quora

Who is responsible for the MH17 incident: Ukraine or Russia?



Dima Vorobiev, I worked for Soviet propaganda
Answered Thu


On a rare occasion when my propaganda-proofed brain challenges my undivided Russian loyalties and my passionate Putinism, it connects three simple observable facts. President Putin, presiding over one of the best intelligence networks in the human history, somehow happened to never say in public any of three very simple things:
  • “I know who shot down MH17”
  • “I don’t know who shot down MH17”
  • “The insurgents/Ukrainians shot down MH17”
Which, together with the fact of his sudden call to President Obama within hours after the shootdown (remember, it happened outside Russia, to a non-Russian plane, and with no Russians aboard) brings me to a very definite conclusion that I don’t like at all.

Just in case you missed this @KGB_resident, you might want to pass it round the office, don't worry, there is life after being one of putin's propaganda trolls.........that's if the FSB or your conscience* doesn't catch-up with you first.......

*Though they're possibly 'fitted for, but not with'
 
Interesting comment from a self-confessed ex-propaganda dog on Quora

Who is responsible for the MH17 incident: Ukraine or Russia?



Dima Vorobiev, I worked for Soviet propaganda
Answered Thu


On a rare occasion when my propaganda-proofed brain challenges my undivided Russian loyalties and my passionate Putinism, it connects three simple observable facts. President Putin, presiding over one of the best intelligence networks in the human history, somehow happened to never say in public any of three very simple things:
  • “I know who shot down MH17”
  • “I don’t know who shot down MH17”
  • “The insurgents/Ukrainians shot down MH17”
Which, together with the fact of his sudden call to President Obama within hours after the shootdown (remember, it happened outside Russia, to a non-Russian plane, and with no Russians aboard) brings me to a very definite conclusion that I don’t like at all.

Just in case you missed this @KGB_resident, you might want to pass it round the office, don't worry, there is life after being one of putin's propaganda trolls.........that's if the FSB or your conscience* doesn't catch-up with you first.......

*Though they're possibly 'fitted for, but not with'
I would like to please @scalieback quoting Reuters
Putin says Russian missile did not bring down flight MH17
President Vladimir Putin said on Friday that a Russian army missile did not bring down Malaysia Airlines Flight over eastern Ukraine in 2014, rebuffing Dutch investigators who concluded that a Russian missile system was used in the attack.
Who is this 'Russian propagandist' whom you quoted, I don't know. I hear his name for the first time.

 
Who is this 'Russian propagandist' whom you quoted, I don't know. I hear his name for the first time.
Then click on the link by his photo......it's not difficult, read trough his posts, then maybe emulate his honesty.....the truth will set you free

And loose the ' around propagandist - he's self-confessed - you could learn a lot from him
 
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...Who is this 'Russian propagandist' whom you quoted, I don't know. I hear his name for the first time.
His office is on the floor above yours on the left of the bogs. You see him in the staff canteen all the time with that silly hat he wears.
 
Careful Sergei, they don't like failure

The Head of the GRU General Colonel Igor Korobov has just 'died' after a long interview illness
 
'e was a 'ero (of the soviet union, nach) and is wif the angles, along wif the BUK crew an de ' fire controller'.

If I was one of the two GRU goons who fucked-up in England recently I'd be trying to buy some life insurance......
 
'e was a 'ero (of the soviet union, nach) and is wif the angles, along wif the BUK crew an de ' fire controller'.

If I was one of the two GRU goons who fucked-up in England recently I'd be trying to buy some life insurance......
They're already dead.
 
Apparent
'e was a 'ero (of the soviet union, nach) and is wif the angles, along wif the BUK crew an de ' fire controller'.

If I was one of the two GRU goons who fucked-up in England recently I'd be trying to buy some life insurance......
Apparently a "true son of Russia".
A murderous war criminal who should have ended his days rotting in a cell at The Hague.
Yep, sounds pretty Russian to me.
 
Maybe he accepted some tea when he had his (cough) interview with Putin:

The Real Russia. Today. The head of Russia's GRU is dead, funny Health Ministry promos, and a ‘baby murder’ controversy — Meduza

According to a report by Sergey Kanev published at Dossier Center in October, Korobov reportedly started feeling unwell after a severe reprimand from President Putin in mid-September, following the exposure of an apparently bungled GRU operation to assassinate Sergey Skripal in Salisbury, England.
 
'e was a 'ero (of the soviet union, nach) and is wif the angles, along wif the BUK crew an de ' fire controller'.

If I was one of the two GRU goons who fucked-up in England recently I'd be trying to buy some life insurance......
Good luck to them trying to get life insurance. Assuming they are not actually dead already from a freak RTA with a “vodka fuelled drunk” (who is also now dead) they are not a particularly good actuarial risk.

Still, probably a better risk than the last two GRU bosses who died after the usual “long term illness” after they fucked off Vlad.

Looks like working in Soviet intelligence is on par with working in Saudi intelligence in terms of life expectancy. Do as you are instructed, piss of your despot and get suddenly terminally ill or meet Abdul El Choppychoppy in the main square in Riyadh.
 
He-he-he.... Grassheads are so grasheads. They said that they confirm that Russia produce SSC-8. What the sort of degradants! Can they confirmed that USA produced MQ-1 and MQ-9?
"The Dutch government has information that Russia developed a prohibited cruise missile, according to a letter written by Ministers Stef Blok of Foreign Affairs and Ank Bijleveld of Defense. It involves a SSC-8 missile that has a range of over 500 kilometers, which violates the INF treaty, NOS reports."

Netherlands has proof Russia developed prohibited cruise missile
 

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