Mexico - Narco-state in the making?




I saw an interesting video of a GMC silverado found in a Texas junkyard - It had the radiator/battery/engine block all armored against .50 cal, whilst also looking fairly standard from the outside. Also Armored glass and door inserts.

edit - found it Guy Exploring A Junkyard Finds An Old Cartel Truck Riddled With Bullet Holes - Digg
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Bulletproofing and armoring is big biz down south. Even for small cars when they want to be a bit inconspicuous.

 
You'd have through even the Donald could have been made to understand the difference between Kurdish peshmerga and Mexican banditos, but apparently not. Mexican government collusion and corruption, or survival instict to stop US military action inside Mexico?

'US President Donald Trump has delayed plans to legally designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups.

'Mr Trump had vowed to label the gangs as terrorists after the killing last month of nine American citizens from a Mormon community in Mexico. But he has put the plans on hold on the request of his Mexican counterpart, Andrés Manuel López Obrador. "I celebrate that he has taken our opinion into account," the Mexican president said. "We thank President Trump for respecting our decisions and for choosing to maintain a policy of good neighbourliness, a policy of cooperation with us," he added.'


 
You'd have through even the Donald could have been made to understand the difference between Kurdish peshmerga and Mexican banditos, but apparently not. Mexican government collusion and corruption, or survival instict to stop US military action inside Mexico?

'US President Donald Trump has delayed plans to legally designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups.

'Mr Trump had vowed to label the gangs as terrorists after the killing last month of nine American citizens from a Mormon community in Mexico. But he has put the plans on hold on the request of his Mexican counterpart, Andrés Manuel López Obrador. "I celebrate that he has taken our opinion into account," the Mexican president said. "We thank President Trump for respecting our decisions and for choosing to maintain a policy of good neighbourliness, a policy of cooperation with us," he added.'



Good neighbourliness? From Mexico, the country that until recently dealt with the illegal immigrants coming through it's southern border by fast tracking them through Mexico in case they wanted to stay and encouraging them to cross the border into the USA and the cartels help by helping them over if they act a porters carry drugs over the border with them.

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Goatman

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SA80?

You poor man.

Old-fashioned thinking Tam.....The A2 has done the job very efficiently in AFG since 2006.

Don't believe all the sales propaganda from Colt Industries - they're just desperate to sell a few more of the 'toy from Matte l' :-D
 

TamH70

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Old-fashioned thinking Tam.....The A2 has done the job very efficiently in AFG since 2006.

Don't believe all the sales propaganda from Colt Industries - they're just desperate to sell a few more of the 'toy from Matte l' :-D

It still weighs more than a thing that weighs a lot, and only gets heavier the more things H und K strap onto it.
Besides, the one in that piccy was an A1. I posted on another thread here a vid from Forgotten Weapons about a 5.56mm folding stock FAL from Brazil's IMBEL company, which looked a lot tidier than any SA80 I've seen.
 

Goatman

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I spent a bit of time with various members of the Small Arms Trials Team who I badgered with incessant questions about the bad reputation of the SA80. I carried and fired both versions.

The H&K upgrades to the L85A1 made a lot of difference, as did binning various 'cheap as chips' manufacturing short-cuts on the original A1 build.


Overall most of the regular users of the beast these days (as opposed to 1991) give it that grudging squaddy praise
' Not a bad bit of kit'
 
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Good neighbourliness? From Mexico, the country that until recently dealt with the illegal immigrants coming through it's southern border by fast tracking them through Mexico in case they wanted to stay and encouraging them to cross the border into the USA and the cartels help by helping them over if they act a porters carry drugs over the border with them.

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Well threats of grave economic harm tend change the tune. But the Socialist Presidente is going to eat crow when Mexico continues to spiral.
 
Selection and maintenance of the aim; Mexican drug gangs aren't letting something piffling like COVID-19 get in their way.

'Far from receding during the pandemic, Mexico’s homicide rate actually rose during March despite the country starting lockdowns to combat the coronavirus, according to figures provided Friday by the government.

'The report shows killings rose 8.46 per cent from February to March, from 2,766 to about 3,000 homicides.
Mexico began implementing widespread shutdowns and social distancing measures to fight the pandemic in mid to late March. The March homicide rate was the highest since the record 3,074 killings registered in July 2018, five months before President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador took office. Since then, the government said homicides had stabilised at around 2,850 a month.'


 
Interesting video here. It shows a convoy of drug cartel home made armoured vehicles (and unarmoured) and drug cartel members looking for all the world like government paramilitaries. It could be a scene from the Syrian Civil War, though these Mexican lads have better looking kit.
The vehicles are those of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (JNGC) - a powerful Cartel. Wiki notes:

'Through online videos, the Jalisco New Generation Cartel has tried to seek society's approval and tacit consent from the Mexican government to confront Los Zetas by posing as a "righteous" and "nationalistic" group.[19][20] Such claims have stoked fears that Mexico, just like Colombia a generation before, may be witnessing the rise of paramilitary drug gangs.[19]'


I'm pretty surprised the US permits this in a neighbouring state - not when they have gone to war overseas for less.
 
Great films and they get to the truth of the matter i.e. a significant proportion of the US population like taking drugs.

And a significant number of influential people are making a considerable amount of money by keeping things as they are.
 
I'm pretty surprised the US permits this in a neighbouring state - not when they have gone to war overseas for less.

The cartels are certainly getting innovative in their use of military-like capabilities.

'A Mexican drug cartel have begun using weaponised drones in an effort to take out their rivals — one of the latest tactics in the drug wars that have plagued the Central American nation, according to reports.

'The airborne attacks have become a common weapon for the Jalisco New Generation Cartel — Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion, or CJNG in Spanish — which authorities believe controls one-third of the drugs that enter the US, to gain a larger foothold in the export of illegal drugs, according to a report by Forbes.

“The CJNG has been involved with such devices since late 2017 in various regions in Mexico,” Robert Bunker, director of research and analysis at C/O Futures, a California-based consulting firm, told Forbes.

“This cartel is well on its way to institutionalising the use of weaponised drones. None of the other cartels appear to presently even be experimenting with the weaponisation of these devices.”

'Earlier this month a militia group formed by farmers in Michoacan reported finding two drones with C4 explosives and ball bearings strapped to them — and reported hearing explosions which they attribute to the devices, according to Mexico’s El Universal newspaper.

'Three other CJNG drones packed with explosives were seized earlier in the year, among the weapons aimed at the rival Rosa de Lima cartel, the reports said.

'In 2018, one of the armed devices was used to attack a senior Mexican official at his home Baja, California — in what authorities believe was a warning because the target was not home at the time.'


 
The cartels are certainly getting innovative in their use of military-like capabilities.

'A Mexican drug cartel have begun using weaponised drones in an effort to take out their rivals — one of the latest tactics in the drug wars that have plagued the Central American nation, according to reports.

'The airborne attacks have become a common weapon for the Jalisco New Generation Cartel — Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion, or CJNG in Spanish — which authorities believe controls one-third of the drugs that enter the US, to gain a larger foothold in the export of illegal drugs, according to a report by Forbes.

“The CJNG has been involved with such devices since late 2017 in various regions in Mexico,” Robert Bunker, director of research and analysis at C/O Futures, a California-based consulting firm, told Forbes.

“This cartel is well on its way to institutionalising the use of weaponised drones. None of the other cartels appear to presently even be experimenting with the weaponisation of these devices.”

'Earlier this month a militia group formed by farmers in Michoacan reported finding two drones with C4 explosives and ball bearings strapped to them — and reported hearing explosions which they attribute to the devices, according to Mexico’s El Universal newspaper.

'Three other CJNG drones packed with explosives were seized earlier in the year, among the weapons aimed at the rival Rosa de Lima cartel, the reports said.

'In 2018, one of the armed devices was used to attack a senior Mexican official at his home Baja, California — in what authorities believe was a warning because the target was not home at the time.'


I am sorry to say there is nothing new here. Once something has been designed and tested at the expense of the taxpayer, it will inevitably be used by criminals, the arms trade see to that, then the two launder the money in the film industry to show the punters how it’s done, this then makes massive profit which doesn’t come under the Extinction Rebellion peoples gaze. The money markets assiduously obey the law in relation to where the money comes from, cos, of course as professionals they always tell the truth.
 

Nemesis44UK

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You haven't seen Emily Blunt doing her cop thang in 'Sicario' yet? Only four years old...probably on Netflix by now.



Benicio del Toro's finest moment. I'm told the sequel is shyte.

According to Hollywood, various US govt agencies are eyeball deep in the cartel bloodfest.

Get with the beat Daddio :)

Nah, sequel's okay if you apply the 50% rule. The original film is rated at 100%, a sequel is 50%, a third is 25% and so on. That explains Alien Resurrection, Jaws The Revenge etc.
 

Nemesis44UK

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I spent a bit of time with various members of the Small Arms Trials Team who I badgered with incessant questions about the bad reputation of the SA80. I carried and fired both versions.

The H&K upgrades to the L85A1 made a lot of difference, as did binning various 'cheap as chips' manufacturing short-cuts on the original A1 build.


Overall most of the regular users of the beast these days (as opposed to 1991) give it that grudging squaddy praise
' Not a bad bit of kit'

But he bought one with iron sights!
 

Nemesis44UK

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Verbatim what my response was when I saw this in New Threads.

I have the great misfortune to go to Cancun at least once a month. The air of menace about the place is palpable and we have recently moved hotels from the commercial district out to The Strip. Such sudden and explained moves are usually based on Need To Know from our Security Dept.

I hate the place. On the one hand it’s rammed with Yank teens who can buy a gun but not a beer back home so they come down mob handed and every bar is full of the “scream if you’re from Oklahoma” type cretin. Full of tequila. Walk outside for a bit of air and it’s all surly types looking shifty and wearing jackets in 40 degree heat and impoverished locals walking fast in the general direction of away.

Lots of Nissan pick ups loaded to the gunwales with hard looking types tooled up to the max with automatics, pistols and Kevlar. No idea where they go when it (frequently) kicks off.

Fly through Mexico City and look out for the matt black 727s with Polizia Federale painted down the side. Con Air eat your heart out.

Idyllic holiday spot all in all.

All depressingly true.

I haven't been to Mexico since 2003, but even then, I was warned only to use the taxi rank inside Mexico City Airport, because gringos had been kidnapped by fake taxis. A very good friend to my wife was abducted and beaten to death after emptying his bank account by someone in a fake taxi. His name was Roger and he was a terrific dancer, I met him at my sister-in-law's wedding.

Since then, my SiL has been extorted for protection money, been burgled - both at home and her shop and her son was threatened with kidnap. She is a moderately wealthy Mexican, who owns a boutique in a mall and whose husband works for Pemex. She isn't super rich or anything, but in Mexico, people get their kids snatched for a ransom as low as 300 dollars, or your nice car.

As the US authorities have gotten wiser and President Obrador has called the army in to police the border, (having fired a load of state and municipal cops in Juarez), the cartels have taken their product the long way round, through Tabasco state and from Belize.

This has led to a massive upsurge in violence and crime through an area of the country which had previously been left alone. Cancun used to be run by two cartels, dividing the territory up between them after inter-cartel violence scared off the tourists and damaged the cartels' bottom lines.

An unsteady truce allowed the tourists to come back, but now a third and fourth cartel are vying for control. The Golfo, Jalisco New Generation, Dona Lety and Los Rojos cartels are fighting for a slice of the profitable resort.

The Yucatan Peninsular that I visited along with the most beautiful place in the world, Xcaret is not immune and now has a significant cartel presence.

Watch "Sicario" and "Narcos Mexico" for a taste of what these people are like, or visit the excellent (but endangered) www.borderlandbeat.com.

I say endangered because the narcos do not like the kind of information given out and several staff writers have left after threats made to them and their families.

Mexico is a beautiful place with warm, genuine people who treat you like a long-lost relative. Nothing is too much trouble for them and they love any excuse for a party, but I wouldn't go back there if you paid me.
 
All depressingly true.

I haven't been to Mexico since 2003, but even then, I was warned only to use the taxi rank inside Mexico City Airport, because gringos had been kidnapped by fake taxis. A very good friend to my wife was abducted and beaten to death after emptying his bank account by someone in a fake taxi. His name was Roger and he was a terrific dancer, I met him at my sister-in-law's wedding.

Since then, my SiL has been extorted for protection money, been burgled - both at home and her shop and her son was threatened with kidnap. She is a moderately wealthy Mexican, who owns a boutique in a mall and whose husband works for Pemex. She isn't super rich or anything, but in Mexico, people get their kids snatched for a ransom as low as 300 dollars, or your nice car.

As the US authorities have gotten wiser and President Obrador has called the army in to police the border, (having fired a load of state and municipal cops in Juarez), the cartels have taken their product the long way round, through Tabasco state and from Belize.

This has led to a massive upsurge in violence and crime through an area of the country which had previously been left alone. Cancun used to be run by two cartels, dividing the territory up between them after inter-cartel violence scared off the tourists and damaged the cartels' bottom lines.

An unsteady truce allowed the tourists to come back, but now a third and fourth cartel are vying for control. The Golfo, Jalisco New Generation, Dona Lety and Los Rojos cartels are fighting for a slice of the profitable resort.

The Yucatan Peninsular that I visited along with the most beautiful place in the world, Xcaret is not immune and now has a significant cartel presence.

Watch "Sicario" and "Narcos Mexico" for a taste of what these people are like, or visit the excellent (but endangered) www.borderlandbeat.com.

I say endangered because the narcos do not like the kind of information given out and several staff writers have left after threats made to them and their families.

Mexico is a beautiful place with warm, genuine people who treat you like a long-lost relative. Nothing is too much trouble for them and they love any excuse for a party, but I wouldn't go back there if you paid me.
Used to visit the area during tour in Belize late 1980's things were not as bad then but obviously a lot of police security activity.
 

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