Mexico - Narco-state in the making?

Verbatim what my response was when I saw this in New Threads.

I have the great misfortune to go to Cancun at least once a month. The air of menace about the place is palpable and we have recently moved hotels from the commercial district out to The Strip. Such sudden and explained moves are usually based on Need To Know from our Security Dept.

I hate the place. On the one hand it’s rammed with Yank teens who can buy a gun but not a beer back home so they come down mob handed and every bar is full of the “scream if you’re from Oklahoma” type cretin. Full of tequila. Walk outside for a bit of air and it’s all surly types looking shifty and wearing jackets in 40 degree heat and impoverished locals walking fast in the general direction of away.

Lots of Nissan pick ups loaded to the gunwales with hard looking types tooled up to the max with automatics, pistols and Kevlar. No idea where they go when it (frequently) kicks off.

Fly through Mexico City and look out for the matt black 727s with Polizia Federale painted down the side. Con Air eat your heart out.

Idyllic holiday spot all in all.
So what are the places downsides?
 
Why not, the Mexican military regularly open fire on the US Border Patrol across the border.
And your evidence for that is?

I can find an incident in 2019 when a patrol boat was engaged by unknown shooters, and a helicopter incident in 2014. Twice in 5 years, one of which is unattributed, is hardly 'regular'.
 
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Blogg

LE
He’s right. Your natural assets will be no match for the melted stickle brick faced, feral cunning of all the latent doctors, engineers and ballet dancers shuffling through damp litter in the gloom between the one in four functioning street lights.

Croydon is where the shreds of DNA from failed medical experiments is dumped. When the sun comes out it aggregates into citizens.
That's why New Addington was cunningly built so it can have a cordon sanitaire around it with no humans noticing.

But Mexico has a problem and one to which Trump's wall is a half arsed similar response.

 

philc

LE
Cant be much longer before Mexico goes full Philippines and just kills them all, sod arrests, court and conviction full on Judge Dredd seems to be the solution.

Popped over the border a few years ago from El Paso, it was like walking in to Dodge City, we just walked around and went to a market, had a beer in a bar full of pint sized Mexicans who all looked like they had just got out of the boxing ring and fat Mexican munters available by the minute.

No thanks.
 
Cant be much longer before Mexico goes full Philippines and just kills them all, sod arrests, court and conviction full on Judge Dredd seems to be the solution.

Popped over the border a few years ago from El Paso, it was like walking in to Dodge City, we just walked around and went to a market, had a beer in a bar full of pint sized Mexicans who all looked like they had just got out of the boxing ring and fat Mexican munters available by the minute.

No thanks.
Did you at least stay for the donkey show?
 

philc

LE
Did you at least stay for the donkey show?
No the wife wanted to buy some paper machee vegetables, plus seen one Donkey show seen them all, its the Donkey I felt sorry for.
 

gorillaguts981

War Hero
I have a signed copy of Bill Jordan's 'No Second Place Winner' on pistol shooting. In the opening pages he describes a shoot out over the Rio Grande which must have taken place in the 50s (book published in 1965) when smugglers opened up after dumping the contraband and continued to try and kill the Border Patrol in an all night gunfight. It seems that is established practice to take on anyone who tries to stop them, so it's been going on for several generations.
 
These scenes perfectly encapsulate the state of Mexico.


Still suffering from jetlag, given that it's after midnight on a Sunday night in Oz?
 
I have a signed copy of Bill Jordan's 'No Second Place Winner' on pistol shooting. In the opening pages he describes a shoot out over the Rio Grande which must have taken place in the 50s (book published in 1965) when smugglers opened up after dumping the contraband and continued to try and kill the Border Patrol in an all night gunfight. It seems that is established practice to take on anyone who tries to stop them, so it's been going on for several generations.
We had a great trip to El Paso and Juarez one time so the now ex brought some property just east of El Paso in Hudspeth County as a holiday home without discussing it, the middle of nowhere and you had to take your own water there or had it delivered. We visited the Sheriff to tell him what was going on.

He said under no circumstances to try to stop people crossing your property or to photograph them, people had been shot at for doing that. This was followed by a quick sale at a loss. Another fantastic snap financial decision by her.

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BopBopBop

Old-Salt
I did have some sympathy for Mexico.

However if there is only a small element of truth to the goverments collusion with the drug traffickers, as shown in Netflix Narco's, its all self inflicted.

They now appear to be reaping what they have sown.
 
There was a feature about this incident on CNN US, just finished. Eye-opening stuff.
 
Update to the original incident.

'Four police officers were among nearly two dozen people killed after security forces engaged in an hour-long gunbattle with suspected cartel members on Saturday in a Mexican town near the US border, days after President Trump said he was moving to designate Mexican drug cartels as terror organisations.

'The shootout happened around noon in the small town of Villa Union, a town in Coahuila state located about an hour’s drive southwest of Eagle Pass, Texas, according to Fox News.

'Coahuila state Gov. Miguel Angel Riquelme told local media that four of the dead were police officers killed in the initial confrontation and that several municipal workers were missing. On Sunday, the Coahuila state government said that security forces killed seven additional members of the gang, bringing the death toll to at least 21.'


 
These scenes perfectly encapsulate the state of Mexico.


And yet being in Texarrse, one of the frontline states I meet Mexicans on a daily basis. I have been told by many it is a lovely place to visit as long as you keep your eyes and ears open - a bit like taking a stroll down the Fall's Road to buy a packet of fag's. The lady in my dentist's office came from Juarez and, when asked, she basically told me "don't be stupid and act like a typical American, show some respect to the people whose country you are visiting and you will be fine".

That said, whilst there are no publicised raving shootout's across the border there is much traffic through the desert, both ways. One way with drugs and the other with cash. Also, it is rumoured;) that National Guard SF do quite a few 'exercises' down on the border.

Further, there has been talk of gang members of Mexican descent joining the US military to get training and experience and then offering their services to cartels. Highly likely. For immigration the way it works is that you initially come over on a visa and evntually get your citizenship if you want to, or bother to. With the greencard permanent residency visa you enjoy all the rights of a citizen except the ability to vote, meaning you can join the military and be restricted to employment in non-secret roles.

Moving from greencard to citizenship is for some an expensive process so they don't bother. Some people in that category who join the military may though enjoy a full military career, just getting on with it and never giving a thought to their greencard status. However, when they commit a crime as a non-citizen they may be deported, usually they serve their sentence in the US, then get picked up by immigration on release and are in due course escorted out of the country. This applies to individuals who have served in the military too, even if they have deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, been decorated etc. With substance abuse (and arrest) being a common refuge for PTSD sufferers there are thousands who have fallen foul of this small and forgotten part of the law. These individuals are over the last few years being targetted by cartels whilst in lock up awaiting deportation and they walk into a paying job as a shooter or trainer with one of the cartels.

As a marine put it: Look at film and photos of cartel assassinations and shootings a few years ago and you will see a body on the ground, a couple of hundred bullet holes in the wall behind the body and maybe a couple of bullet holes in the body. Look at more recent photos of shootings and they are much cleaner with maybe only a couple of bullet holes and those being in the body. So the employing of former US personnel has made a difference to the effectiveness of cartel shooters.
 
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