Met gets it wrong again

#2
In my view, one of the things that contributes to racism in the Met is the existence of the Black and Asian Police Association. Apart from anything else it prevents full integration of all shades of PO's.

I cant imagine the army having a Black And Asian Cpls Mess.
 
#3
Sounds like the MET really screwed up this one. Assuming the whole thing is not concocted, there is just no valid excuse for the actions of the officers involved.
 
#4
EODMat, I have to agree, the existence of various associations in the plod is very problematic. It is time we had a modernised police force that is fit for purpose and serves the public.
 
#5
The guy was aquitted.

So why would you want to stop and be a good citizen if you were black?

Here's a thought:
If the trouble was being caused by white youths and a white bloke stopped in similar circumstances I wonder if the same would have happened?

They really need to get a grip.
Difficult circumstances I know, but then that's what they're paid for.
 
#6
It also sounds like gratuitous use of the tazer in a circumstance that clearly didnt call for it.
 
#8
What is the time span of these complaints, one seemed to date back almost a year; every outrage bus is followed by a shiny bandwagon driven by lawyers.
However there is a limit to how often the 'it was a mistake/one rotten apple' statement can be used. And I'm mostly on the police side.
 
#9
In my view, one of the things that contributes to racism in the Met is the existence of the Black and Asian Police Association. Apart from anything else it prevents full integration of all shades of PO's.

I cant imagine the army having a Black And Asian Cpls Mess.
Completely agree. But that in no way justifies the actions of the police officers in this incident.
 
#10
What is the time span of these complaints, one seemed to date back almost a year; every outrage bus is followed by a shiny bandwagon driven by lawyers.
However there is a limit to how often the 'it was a mistake/one rotten apple' statement can be used. And I'm mostly on the police side.
"Kennedy-Macfoy was driving through Harrow around 3.30am on 4 September when he saw a young man hurl a rock at a police van."

Last September.
Aquitted in February.

Edit to add, He could quite easily have lost his job over this. And under ACAS he may not have got it back even when proved innocent.
 
#11
Two sides to every story. Maybe it will turn out the police WERE well out of order. On the other hand, this is obviously an intelligient guy with a good job (as football hooligans/ rioters can be, so doesn't necessarily prove anything). Why did he stop at 0330 in the morning because someone threw a rock at a van? Most people would have kept on going. It wasn't a lone officer in need of help - it was a group of officers dealing with a large public disorder incident. Oh yes....he thought it was a "car accident" - that's why he drove through a cordon. Always two sides and truth usually lies somewhere in thre middle.
 
#12
I hope England does`nt become like America where the police taser you for practically no reason. I remember watching the news last year I think where 4 policemen were subduing 1 man and tasered him while he was laying on the ground. If 4 men can`t subdue 1 man there is something wrong with thier training.
 
#14
Two sides to every story. Maybe it will turn out the police WERE well out of order. On the other hand, this is obviously an intelligient guy with a good job (as football hooligans/ rioters can be, so doesn't necessarily prove anything). Why did he stop at 0330 in the morning because someone threw a rock at a van? Most people would have kept on going. It wasn't a lone officer in need of help - it was a group of officers dealing with a large public disorder incident. Oh yes....he thought it was a "car accident" - that's why he drove through a cordon. Always two sides and truth usually lies somewhere in thre middle.
Yes.
And in court he was aquitted.

Try googling his name. He even trained as a police officer but left because of family illness.
 
#16
I hope England does`nt become like America where the police taser you for practically no reason. I remember watching the news last year I think where 4 policemen were subduing 1 man and tasered him while he was laying on the ground. If 4 men can`t subdue 1 man there is something wrong with thier training.
I know, it used to be they'd just shoot the black guy and go for doughnuts, I blame Internal Affairs.
 
#17
I know, it used to be they'd just shoot the black guy and go for doughnuts, I blame Internal Affairs.
This is not america.

We'd go for bacon sandwiches.

Sad thing is, Taser is necessary. This will be used to argue against the general introduction of taser to frontline officers. Taser gives violent suspects the one option they don't have now; to back down with no loss of face. They can shrug and say to their mates, "The red dot was on me. What could I do?" Whereas now they have to go for it against police armed with batons and CS/PAVA spray.

You end up causing more injuries to yourself and suspects pissing around with open hand or just beating them with ASP batons.

I never used my CS in 7 years in the met, my stick once (on a person). When you get out to the counties and their are less cops, spray comes out as you can get in the sticky stuff really quickly.

Taser saves people getting hurt is the bottom line, I've seen that directly with my own two eyes. Really violent hard nuts know they will not win and you go from a certain violent roll-around to a compliant safe arrest.

But as I said on another thread, it sounds like those peelers have let the side down badly.
 
#18
Ok then. he's not a criminal. Just thick as two short planks. If the first had officer gobbed off at him, you think he would have left and followed it up later with a complaint, not gone to the next line of officers "with riot shields" who were in the middle of a public order incident and started complaining. Severe lack of judgement if nothing else.
 
#19
Nice to see the standard issue arrse Anti plod outrage bus fire up in reply to fkin Guardian article of all things.

Let me just add a few things I've heard from coppers I know about this.

He didn't 'just stop to ask directions' and tell them about a bloke who through a rock at a van.

He went through the police outer cordon when they had deployed shield officers at what was effectively a mini riot after a party got out of control.

People don't get tasered for nothing- every taser officer knows he'll be seriously dragged through the mud and accused of this sort of shite. Tasers are downloadable for this reason.

This lad also was a police recruit when he was 21 (7 years ago).

He says he left because his mum was ill, I have heard elsewhere that he was kicked out of training for driving offences. If so the Guardian needs to correct it's story.

So before you all go off half cocked and buy a season ticket for the outrage bus, read between the lines of this totally biased arse rag of a news paper.
 
#20
In my view, one of the things that contributes to racism in the Met is the existence of the Black and Asian Police Association. Apart from anything else it prevents full integration of all shades of PO's.
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I thought it was more their affirmative action program for fat Kent retards but I could be wrong.
 

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