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Is a newly promoted sgt in the TA elegable for the mess kit grant same as the regs
Yes and when you do get it can you refrain from wearing mess dress in local pubs and clubs?
Nope, and if I recall the grant was withdrawn for regulars also. I am sure someone with more recent knowladge will be along shortly to put me right.
Ah so many experts, so many wrong answers.
As of April 2013 the answer is yes, you do.
DII link, dude.
Serial No: 79/13
Source: D Pers Ops
Date: 13 Aug 13
PARADE UNIFORM & UNIFORM GRANTS FOR THE ARMY RESERVE
1. Situation on the issue of the new No 2 Dress uniform to the Army Reserve and announcement of enhanced grants for Reserve officers and SNCOs.
2. All personnel of the Regular and Army Reserve including Officer Cadets.
New No 2 Dress issue programme for Regular Army and Reserve units available to view on ARMY HQ Mat Sp website.
Issue programme complete for both Regular Army and TA units by Apr 14. Consequently the old style of No 2 Dress is not to be worn by any Army personnel after 1 Apr 14.
All Reserve officers commissioned into Group A units after 1 Apr 13 eligible for the full Initial Outfit Grant. Those commissioned into Group B units are eligible for the partial Initial Outfit Grant. SNCOs in Group B units are not eligible for any grants.
All Reserve JNCOs promoted into a Group A unit WOs and Sgts Mess after 1 Apr 13 entitled to the SNCO Mess Dress Grant.
Officers and SNCOs who are in receipt of one of these grants who do not achieve three annual Certificates of Service following receipt of the grant may be required to repay some or all of the grant.
Reserve officers and SNCOs who are directed to transfer to other Regiments or Corps, or whose unit changes cap badge, may claim the Transfer Grant. Reserve Officers and SNCOs who transfer to other Regiments and Corps for personal reasons may not claim the Transfer Grant.
No 2 Dress
3. A new No 2 Dress uniform was introduced in 2009 under the Future Army Dress Project. The initial intent was that the new uniform would be rolled out across Regular Army and TA units over a period of 4 years. Because of delays in the issue programme, the programme will not be complete
until Apr 14. The Army Dress Committee has directed that no Army personnel are to wear the previous form of the No 2 Dress after 1 Apr 14.
4. The new No 2 Dress is being issued to all Reserve officers and SNCOs although officers commissioned prior to 1 Apr 13 are required to purchase hats, belts and shoes themselves. Reserve units receive a 50% holding of complete No 2 Dress uniforms with which to provide uniforms for JNCOs and ORs. The issue programme for the new No 2 Dress to Reserve units and the scales can be found on the ARMY HQ Material Support web site on the following link Mat Sp Home Page under the heading No 2 Dress.
5. Although it was recently announced1 that Reserve officers commissioned after 1 Jun 13 were to receive a partial Initial Outfit Grant (IOG), it has now been agreed that Reserve officers commissioned into Group A units after 1 Apr 13 are eligible to receive the full IOG which will include funding for them to purchase the appropriate Mess Dress as well as caps, belts and shoes for No 2 Dress. This Grant varies according to Regiment and Corps the detail of which is contained in Part 10 Entitlements of Army Dress Regulations (ADR). ADRs can be accessed on the following website PS 12(A) Team Site. Reserve officers who are eligible for the IOG on commissioning are also entitled to the free issue of a Sam Browne belt or to the non-Sam Browne Belt Grant if their regiment wears a different belt. Similarly it has also been agreed that Reserve JNCOs who are promoted into the WOs and Sgts Mess of Group A units after 1 Apr 13 are eligible for the same SNCO Mess Dress Grant as Regular Army JNCOs. The amount of this grant also varies by Regiment and Corps and the amounts are detailed in Para 10.80 of Part 10 of ADR. As with Regular Army officers and SNCOs, these grants are only payable on presentation of appropriate receipts. Officers commissioned into Group B units are eligible for the partial IOG of £350, free issue of a Sam Browne belt or the non-Sam Browne Belt Grant.
6. Regular Army officers who do not complete three years service after commissioning and receiving the Grant are liable to repay some or all of the grant. Similarly Reserve officers and SNCOs are required to achieve three successive Certificates of Efficiency following receipt of the relevant grant. Individuals who do not achieve these Certificates of Efficiency for whatever reason may be required to repay in cash some or all of the received Grant at the discretion of their Commanding Officer.
7. Officer Cadets from University Officer Training Corps who attend the TA Commissioning Course (TACC) but who intend to join the Regular Army on graduation from university or subsequently are eligible for one grant only. They will need to consider carefully whether they wish to claim some or all of the IOG following the TACC or to claim it after the Regular Commissioning Course.
8. An Annual Upkeep Grant (AUG) of £50 is payable to Reserve officers who received the Initial Outfit Grant payable one year after receiving the grant and payable in successive years. SNCOs who have received the Mess Dress Grant will also receive an AUG of £25. This AUG will be payable until HMRC agree to include Reserve officers in the Officers Tax Relief scheme. The AUG will need to be claimed manually by individuals through the RAO. No receipts are required for the AUG. The AUG is not payable retrospectively and is only payable to those who have received the appropriate grant.
9. As for the Regular Army, Reserve officers and SNCOs who are directed to transfer between Regiments and Corps, or whose unit changes cap badge as a result of restructuring, are eligible for this grant. Reserve Officers and SNCOs who transfer for personal reasons are not eligible for the Transfer Grant and must fund any change of parade and mess uniforms themselves.
10. Part 10 of Army Dress Regulations on the PS12(A) Team Site will be updated in due course.
My next burning question what is the difference between a group a and group b unit......
Group B: UOTCs, CCF, ACF and some NRPS.
Group A: Pretty much everyone else.
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Get yourself on eBay and buy a set mess kit from a disbanded infantry cap badge to wear in your own non-infantry mess because you thought any mess kit would do. Oh how we laughed at that one
Papa golf what are you smoken
Surprised to see the AUG is still only £50. Seem to remember it being that when I last got it ... in 1994!
4. The new No 2 Dress is being issued to all Reserve officers and SNCOs although officers commissioned prior to 1 Apr 13 are required to purchase hats, belts and shoes themselves.
Guess they'll be parading with no hat, no belt, and no shoes then...
Can anyone point me in the correct direction ref JPA to reg for the grant ?
Sure - its over there, in the little telly thing on the desk.
If the uniform is issued why do get a grant?
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