Mess Debtor Leaving the Service - Options for Ensuring Payment

#1
I, as Presiding Member of a Mess, am having to deal with an individual (SNCO) who is leaving on redundancy. He has a significant outstanding Mess Bill which is not disputed; however this individual thinks that he can refuse to pay his bill because he is in dispute with the unit over claiming back costs incurred in resettlement. Notwithstanding the absurdity of that argument, can any SPS Pay experts here tell me if there is a facility within the pay system for the debt to be deducted from his pay before he departs? I am quite prepared to focus his mind by pursuing him through the Small Claims Court if necessary, but hopefully there is an easier way. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks for any help.

G
 
#4
Although a Mess member, I am not a member of the Sgt's & WO's Mess; however, I would have thought that you've got him under AGAI or the Army Act or both. As a SNCO, he is automatically a member of a Mess and therefore pays his dues like everyone else. If he is having serious financial difficulties, I am sure that he can work something out with the RAO; if he is just being bloody minded, then what does your supervising officer (the QM?) have to say about this?
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
I'm no expert

But I'm sure when I was leaving one of the things was that you didn't owe any money to stores etc.
I was owed money and it was cleared up before I could depart camp.
Couldn't the C.O. just block his departure until he coughs up.
 
#7
I, as my life is a ******* Mess, am having to deal with an individual (SNCO) who is leaving on redundancy. He has a significant outstanding Mess Bill which is not disputed; however this individual thinks that he can refuse to pay his bill because he is in dispute with the unit over claiming back costs incurred in resettlement. Notwithstanding the absurdity of that argument, can any SPS Pay experts here tell me if there is a facility within the pay system for the debt to be deducted from his pay before he departs? I am quite prepared to focus his mind by pursuing him through the Small Claims Court if necessary, but hopefully there is an easier way. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks for any help.

G
Whats a few quid ? The snco is losing his/her job voluntary or otherwise. I hope you get **** all

Happy Christmas
 
#8
Whats a few quid ? The snco is losing his/her job voluntary or otherwise. I hope you get **** all

Happy Christmas
Excellent, Mess Bills are now voluntary because you say so. You don't know if the guy is leaving as an applicant or not which would blow your emotional argument out of the water and more importantly if he has run up a mess bill he owes the money. Or can he now avoid any other bills he doesn't fancy paying.

In fact if you are so concerned about the poor (potentially thieving) SNCO why don't you pay his mess bill for him - afterall it is only a few quid.
 
#11
I, as Presiding Member of a Mess, am having to deal with an individual (SNCO) who is leaving on redundancy. He has a significant outstanding Mess Bill which is not disputed; however this individual thinks that he can refuse to pay his bill because he is in dispute with the unit over claiming back costs incurred in resettlement. Notwithstanding the absurdity of that argument, can any SPS Pay experts here tell me if there is a facility within the pay system for the debt to be deducted from his pay before he departs? I am quite prepared to focus his mind by pursuing him through the Small Claims Court if necessary, but hopefully there is an easier way. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks for any help.

G
No expert but why not contact Glasgow and get it deducted at source!
 

Bowmore_Assassin

MIA
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#12
QR's are clear - he needs to pay up. If not, disciplinary action can be taken by the chain of command. One would hope this is not the way an issue is resolved with a SNCO over a mess bill but if he owes money and is is insistent on being a cock and not paying his debt, do it formally.

Edited to add:

Having seen the other thread from the SNCO who is allegedly not paying his bill, it seems there are two sides to every tale. He thinks he is credit, you think he is in debt. Stating the bleeding obvious; surely a statement from the unit accountant to show the real state of play followed up by a phone call from PMC to said SNCO should resolve the issue one way or the other.
 
#14
QR's are clear - he needs to pay up. If not, disciplinary action can be taken by the chain of command. One would hope this is not the way an issue is resolved with a SNCO over a mess bill but if he owes money and is is insistent on being a cock and not paying his debt, do it formally.
Where abouts in QRs? I know it says he has to be a mess member, but if the army owe him money (from another area) it should work both ways.
 
#15
Where abouts in QRs? I know it says he has to be a mess member, but if the army owe him money (from another area) it should work both ways.
Perhaps the army owes him money and they won't cough up and he's giving you some of your own medicine.

If he pays up the army will still owe him money, but won't pay up.

Get the pay staff to sort his problem out.

If he didn't want redundancy perhaps he's pissed off and it's his last chance to rebel.
 
#16
I've not been the member of a mess for the past 18 months. I reckon this has saved me in the region of £750 in monthly mess bills. Personally, I see no point in being a mess member. It gives me the right to go to an out of date building which is usually in a terrible state of repair, attend functions which I have to pay for anyway and be served second rate food and to occasionally go to a bar in a suit and tie and drink with people I would not ordinarily want to socialise with. Of course, do not forget that many messes are run by egotistical idiots who think that the income and membership are there to ensure that they are worshipped as a kind of demi-God.

It is an outdated concept which costs both us and the establishment far too much money for which the returns are very bad.
 
#19
Take him round the back of the mess and give him a jolly good thrashing, if diplomacy and tact fail violence tends to have the desired effect.

:eye:
 
#20
I, as Presiding Member of a Mess, am having to deal with an individual (SNCO) who is leaving on redundancy. He has a significant outstanding Mess Bill which is not disputed; however this individual thinks that he can refuse to pay his bill because he is in dispute with the unit over claiming back costs incurred in resettlement. Notwithstanding the absurdity of that argument, can any SPS Pay experts here tell me if there is a facility within the pay system for the debt to be deducted from his pay before he departs? I am quite prepared to focus his mind by pursuing him through the Small Claims Court if necessary, but hopefully there is an easier way. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks for any help.

G
Are we talking outstanding mess fees here (in which case who gives a toss) or lots of drinks chits? If it is for drinks/fags then it is a bit naughty. My question though is, what kind of shambles are you the presiding member of? I have been both PMC and Presiding member of a mess and would never allow anyone to accumulate a 'significant outstanding mess bill'.

Had you done your job right in the first place you would not be in this position.
 

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