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[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

My post was actually more about you. You presented the Swede as a "balanced" and reputable doctor because it was sufficient for you that you liked the sound of his claims. Then there was your internationally respected cancer professor who actually gets cease and desist letters about his false accreditation claims. And so on.

You need to think more carefully about the source of your info. Who's writing it? Why are they writing it? Why should their opinion be trusted? What's their evidence and how reliable is it? Is there counter-evidence to their claims? Has/Is the work gone through a reputable peer review process? Where is it published? Has it been rejected by the scientific consensus, but latched onto by the conspiracy loons? Otherwise you may as well tune into this guy for your science updates:

And my post was about Niall Ferguson; the bloke who wrote a paper which got us all locked down without it even being peer reviewed.

Later all kinds of folk ripped into it and his past record.

And then he was caught banging a chubby lass - during lockdown - who was married to an academic who apparently gives her permission to go and get banged by other blokes.

Ferguson's excuse was that he thought he had immunity.

But the thing is, I'm smart enough to know that just because Ferguson gets some things wrong - sometimes quite major things - that he shouldn't automatically be discredited.

 

[stanley_bomb_squad]

Well, I tell you what. Why not move to Sweden and bore them with your obsessiveness?
You have become yet another bore, or possibly boor, that seems to plug themselves into a thread and go on and bloody on forever, saying the same cynical things over and bloody over.

What used to be a decent thread taken over by a few absolute experts who know they are right, everybody else is wrong and there is no point in listening to any advice because their basements have been turned into state of the art laboratories for testing this and disproving that.

Once or twice might have been rather interesting and funny but face nappies, branch Covidians and it's working better in Sweden a dozen times a day is probably a good reason for sticking you on ignore you boring sod.

Now that's a hissy fit.

And no sense of irony either.

 

[3ToedSloth]

Now that's a hissy fit.

And no sense of irony either.

Taking a little break from shouting at the telly?

 

[3ToedSloth]

And my post was about Niall Ferguson; the bloke who wrote a paper which got us all locked down without it even being peer reviewed.

Later all kinds of folk ripped into it and his past record.

And then he was caught banging a chubby lass - during lockdown - who was married to an academic who apparently gives her permission to go and get banged by other blokes.

Ferguson's excuse was that he thought he had immunity.

But the thing is, I'm smart enough to know that just because Ferguson gets some things wrong - sometimes quite major things - that he shouldn't automatically be discredited.

Nice deflection. This guy appears to be a reputable doctor too so I wouldn't automatically reject his views on covid-19:

 

[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

Nice deflection. This guy appears to be a reputable doctor too so I wouldn't automatically reject his views on covid-19:
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It's not a 'nice deflection', it's what you call truth and honesty.

And that doc in your pic reminds me of Larry Nassar; a highly respected Team USA gymnastics medical expert.

Netflix's Athlete A: The true story of the Larry Nassar scandal

A harrowing true story of sexual abuse within gymnastics in the United States has landed on Netflix.

www.standard.co.uk

Lots just blindly trusted him with their daughters because, well, he's a respected expert.

 

[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

Julia makes some good points here:


I wonder if anyone will just ad hom her, rather than deal with her points?

 

[Winnet]

 

[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

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Add a claw hammer in one of those fists and that'll look like Higgsy in the Brexit section.

 

[JCC]

 

[Norsemaid]

I watched / listened to that last night.

 

[Falling Plate]

The new tier system explained.

Tier 1 = Beer

Tire 2 = Beer + chips

Tier 3 + No Beer

 

[terminal]

Remember those Danish minks with COVID-19 who were culled recently? Well they're rising out of their graves to haunt us again.
Culled minks rise from shallow graves in Denmark

Fortunately they're not actual zombies, just bodies bloated with decay gasses are "floating" upwards out of the soil.

Given what's happened so far this year however, I wouldn't dismiss the possibilities of zombies just yet.

 

[terminal]

Most of this story is probably not worth reading, but it does address the question of vitamin D which @Norsemaid has raised earlier.
How risky is it to go shopping now? Your coronavirus questions answered

Long story short, there's no evidence that vitamin D will help prevent or cure COVID-19. There were some poorly done studies which suggested that it did, but they fell apart when looked at more closely.

"To date, there is no research showing that taking a vitamin tablet will prevent or help cure [the] coronavirus," Labos said.

When it comes to vitamin D specifically, Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease specialist and researcher based at Toronto General Hospital, noted that there were some "poorly constructed studies" that said it might help, but that the research fell apart on closer examination.

Low vitamin D levels don't make you susceptable to COVID-19. Rather, older people or people who are otherwise in poor health are more likely to have low vitamin D levels for other reasons. These tend to be the same people who get more serious cases of COVID-19 anyway.

It's not that the low vitamin D levels cause disease or cause COVID-19, but that older people or people with pre-existing medical conditions tend to have low vitamin D levels, he said.

I won't tell people to not take a balanced and reasonable amount of vitamin supplements if their diet and health warrants it, but taking extra vitamin D is not going to be of any help with respect to COVID-19.

 

[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

Remember those Danish minks with COVID-19 who were culled recently? Well they're rising out of their graves to haunt us again.
Culled minks rise from shallow graves in Denmark

Fortunately they're not actual zombies, just bodies bloated with decay gasses are "floating" upwards out of the soil.

Given what's happened so far this year however, I wouldn't dismiss the possibilities of zombies just yet.

Why are we using animals for fur for in the west in the 21st century anyway?

I thought that kind of stuff was for the Chinese.

Off topic; sorry.

 

[Maninthestreet]

No.

 

[terminal]

Here's Thursday's COVID-19 summary.
Coronavirus: What's happening in Canada and around the world on Thursday

Croatia are closing bars and restaurants and limiting gatherings to 25 at public events and 10 at private ones. Weddings are banned, and funerals can have no more than 25 people present.

Croatia's government is closing down bars and restaurants and further limiting any gatherings as the country of 4.2 million reported a record 4,009 new infections, as well as 51 new deaths, on Thursday.

The new rules, which take effect this weekend and last until Dec. 21, include a ban on more than 25 people in public gatherings and 10 at private occasions. Weddings are banned, and funerals can have no more than 25 people and no close contact.

Greece are extending their lockdown to the 7th of December.

Greece will extend its nationwide lockdown until Dec. 7 as COVID-19 cases continued to surge across the country, government spokesperson Stelios Petsas said on Thursday.

Russia reported 25,487 new infections and 524 new cases. Both are new records for the country. Some regions are running out of hospital beds.

Russia reported a record high of 25,487 new coronavirus infections on Thursday and 524 deaths in the last 24 hours, the highest numbers it has reported since the start of the pandemic.

Roszdravnadzor, the health-care watchdog, said on Thursday that some regions in the country of about 145 million were running out of hospital beds for COVID-19 patients, the TASS and RIA news agencies reported.

South Korea reported 583 new cases, a record for them.

In the Asia-Pacific region, South Korea reported 583 new cases, the highest since March, as it grapples with a third wave of infections that appears to be worsening despite tough new measures.

Japan's PM said the next three weeks will be critical for the country as they face a surge of cases. Tokyo residents were told to not make non-essential outings, and bars were told to close early.

Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said that the next three weeks are going to be key for the country to stop further escalation of the surge in coronavirus infections that experts warn are putting medical systems on the verge of collapse.

Tokyo Gov. Yuriko Koike on Wednesday issued a request for an early closing time for places serving alcohol from Saturday to Dec. 17 and urged residents to avoid non-essential outings. On Thursday, she said the measures are needed "before the situation becomes even more serious."

New Delhi in India are considering imposing a curfew.

India's capital New Delhi is considering a nighttime curfew amid the latest coronavirus surge that has battered the city's health-care system and overwhelmed its hospitals.

 

[HLD DMR]

Why are we using animals for fur for in the west in the 21st century anyway?

I thought that kind of stuff was for the Chinese.

Off topic; sorry.

They are for the Chinese, that’s where the vast majority of minks are sent.

 

[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

They are for the Chinese, that’s where the vast majority of minks are sent.

It's illegal in the UK. I'm honestly surprised it still happens in so-called modern European countries.

 

[stanley_bomb_squad]

Most of this story is probably not worth reading, but it does address the question of vitamin D which @Norsemaid has raised earlier.
How risky is it to go shopping now? Your coronavirus questions answered

Long story short, there's no evidence that vitamin D will help prevent or cure COVID-19. There were some poorly done studies which suggested that it did, but they fell apart when looked at more closely.


Low vitamin D levels don't make you susceptable to COVID-19. Rather, older people or people who are otherwise in poor health are more likely to have low vitamin D levels for other reasons. These tend to be the same people who get more serious cases of COVID-19 anyway.


I won't tell people to not take a balanced and reasonable amount of vitamin supplements if their diet and health warrants it, but taking extra vitamin D is not going to be of any help with respect to COVID-19.
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Two published small scale studies and about 30 observational ones showing a significant positive result, especially in the defficient black community.

Clearly in need of a larger study, but a curious lack appetite for such a thing.

In a comment on Dr Johns original video someone made the point Vit D is cheap and there is no profit in it.

 

[ivan_the_tolerable]

The new tier system explained.

Tier 1 = Beer

Tire 2 = Beer + chips

Tier 3 + No Beer

Yep and it was those pesky pubs and restaurants that spread the virus and the hospitality sector must be punished. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that schools, colleges and educational establishments are playing a large part in spreading the virus and the hospitality sector are being scapegoated, in a ham fisted “must be seen to be doing something” pantomime, nope, no sirree. But we can’t have Gavin Williamson made to look bad again after a total fustercluck earlier this year.

Lockdown: Government resists calls to shut schools in England