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MERS Coronavirus warning

Well, that puts a bit of a crimp in the idea of 'herd immunity'.

'Scientists have found that coronavirus immunity could only last a few months after a study revealed a decline in protective antibodies.

'Research by Imperial College London estimated just 4.4 per cent of adults had some form of immunity against COVID-19 in September, when cases began to increase again. This is compared with 6 per cent found to have antibodies between June 20 and July 13, and 4.8 per cent between 31 July and 31 August.

'Experts said the data from the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (REACT-2) study – which has been released in a pre-print paper that has not been peer-reviewed – showed immunity was “waning quite rapidly”, which could lead to an increased risk of reinfection.'


 
Well, that puts a bit of a crimp in the idea of 'herd immunity'.

'Scientists have found that coronavirus immunity could only last a few months after a study revealed a decline in protective antibodies.

'Research by Imperial College London estimated just 4.4 per cent of adults had some form of immunity against COVID-19 in September, when cases began to increase again. This is compared with 6 per cent found to have antibodies between June 20 and July 13, and 4.8 per cent between 31 July and 31 August.

'Experts said the data from the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (REACT-2) study – which has been released in a pre-print paper that has not been peer-reviewed – showed immunity was “waning quite rapidly”, which could lead to an increased risk of reinfection.'


Does it not also put a crimp in the idea of immunity through a vaccination? I though vaccinating is just an artificial trigger of immunity within the subject without them needing to get full blown symptoms.

Good time to be in the pharma game if we are going to need re-vaccinating every few months. Might need a few more labs to produce what 24-32 billion shots of the stuff a year.
 
Well it certainly helped fill the Victoria state coffers. By Aug they’d given out just under 20,000 fines ranging from $200 for not wearing a mask (1669), $1500 for non compliance or breaking curfew (about 17600) and $5000 for breaking quarantine (20). By my reckoning they’ve brought in about $26M in fines up til August and from what I’ve seen online they’ve continued chucking the fines around like confetti in the last couple of months.

For a population a bit larger than Scotland that’s a lot of fines.
 
Well, that puts a bit of a crimp in the idea of 'herd immunity'.

'Scientists have found that coronavirus immunity could only last a few months after a study revealed a decline in protective antibodies.

'Research by Imperial College London estimated just 4.4 per cent of adults had some form of immunity against COVID-19 in September, when cases began to increase again. This is compared with 6 per cent found to have antibodies between June 20 and July 13, and 4.8 per cent between 31 July and 31 August.

'Experts said the data from the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (REACT-2) study – which has been released in a pre-print paper that has not been peer-reviewed – showed immunity was “waning quite rapidly”, which could lead to an increased risk of reinfection.'


That's not as big a deal as it sounds. If you check most people's blood for antibodies against chickenpox there won't be any (assuming they had chickenpox as a child). Those people are still immune to chickenpox as their immune system retains a 'memory' of the chickenpox virus and if they are reinfected their body rapidly produces huge numbers of antibodies.

A bigger deal would be if there is no long term memory of the COVID virus.
 
Now is definitely the time to sell your supermarket shares. The pictures from Wales of plastic draped sealed aisles, and what look like motorway barriers, could not be a better advert for Amazon, eBay, and the internet in general.
They supermarkets, in their haste to connive with the Welsh Stasi surely spells their death knell.

The idea is that it's unfair on small business not being able to sell stuff, so Welsh logic is to punish the supermarkets too out of "fairness"

If anything supermarkets have been over zealous in complying with the Covid laws, lest they get a big fine presumably

But like you say it will drive more business online, and cause more unemployment here

More unemployment of course means more potential voters for the Labour Party so it's a win win for them

And of course an increase in unemployment will just be blamed on Westminster, and an excuse to go grrr Boris
 
'Experts said the data from the Real-Time Assessment of Community Transmission (REACT-2) study – which has been released in a pre-print paper that has not been peer-reviewed – showed immunity was “waning quite rapidly”, which could lead to an increased risk of reinfection.'
'Experts' should not be drawing conclusions and making rash statements based on a pre-print
 
Does it not also put a crimp in the idea of immunity through a vaccination? I though vaccinating is just an artificial trigger of immunity within the subject without them needing to get full blown symptoms.

Good time to be in the pharma game if we are going to need re-vaccinating every few months. Might need a few more labs to produce what 24-32 billion shots of the stuff a year.
Not peer reviewed, ignores T cell immunity and so on.

And from Imperial Clown College who have been wrong about the panicdemic err, lets see.
Oh yes EVERY SINGLE TIME!!

But abject failure shouldn't be a reason not to keep getting funding and their awful advice ignored is it.
Well not for the true believers.
 
NI ICU beds are under pressure

This link says there's 829 ventilators in NI (when procurement is finished, but this was back in March, so it should've been):


This link says there's 33 with covid on ventilators in NI:


Which means there's just under 800 ventilators either spare or for non-covid patients.
 

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Is part of that the backlog from the weekend though?

Could be. Although adjustment figures are usually produced on the daily notes.
That isn't the case today as yet.


Edited to add that the 367 figure was the confirmed death rate for the last 24 hrs.

France has just posted a figure of 558 for the last 24 hrs.
 
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This link says there's 829 ventilators in NI (when procurement is finished, but this was back in March, so it should've been):


This link says there's 33 with covid on ventilators in NI:


Which means there's just under 800 ventilators either spare or for non-covid patients.

Altnaglevin is out of ICU beds
 
The way that Sweden prevented their hospitals from being overwhelmed was the authorities issued a directive that patients over the age of 80 or with a BMI of over 40 were to be denied ICU care.

Spot on.

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They'll just use another hospital. Hospitals regularly do this every year, at this time of year.

And it won't be through covid patients either.
Absolutely

but they are likely to be using a Nightingale soon as they are all under pressure

they have also asked about sending patients to the Republic


of course ignores the fact that the local Republic hospitals are swamped due to Stormont’s failure to stop the spread
 

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