Not the argument ending statement it sounds like. Once you get past cancer, heart disease and respiratory illness the number of deaths drops massively. A bit like saying a country has the 7th largest army in the world, once you get past the Chinese, Russians, US and North Koreans it's all a bit irrelevant.And that's with full lockdown implemented and single digit infection rates in the population.
She says the flu and other viruses can cause long term complications, yet we don't close down our economy for those.
Not the argument ending statement it sounds like. Once you get past cancer, heart disease and respiratory illness the number of deaths drops massively. A bit like saying a country has the 7th largest army in the world, once you get past the Chinese, Russians, US and North Koreans it's all a bit irrelevant.
Knew I'd posted it somewhere recently - Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics is the source for the data. I haven't checked to see if it's been updated for the July data yet.
I see you’ve resorted to making stuff up again.This is great news for those who think herd immunity is part of the right strategy.
A recap of the discussion was that the vaccine initially will be in short supply and will be strategically dished out and @lastwalt thought that kids would be last to be given it and that it could be a year away before they even started giving it to children.
I thought that sounded like a good idea and during that year children would get the corona' and develop immunity, further enhancing herd immunity. Children are at almost no risk; flu has killed more kids this year than the corona' (I can provide good evidence if anyone wants it).
Keep in mind that we know corona is safe for kids, but it won't be known (possibly ever known) if the vaccine is safer than the corona for children.
That's strange - having seen her speak a couple of times, I'd have expected the discussion to be a bit unpacked than that (via Zoom rather than in person, given the current times).
Also a quick google seems to say that many of the criticisms are because she doesn't address that particular avenue.
She said that flu and other viruses cause long term complications and we don't shut the economy down for that.
That's weird because we already know the death rates for flu/covid are not the same (higher for COVID)
Not for children or young people it's not. Flu - regular influenza - has killed more than covid this year.
You want evidence? Take a look at the list of studies on Prof Bhopal's open letter in the BMJ; he cites three studies showing this.
This is Prof Gupta's outline for a solution:
Interesting, well it will be interesting to see if the data indicates they are the same in terms of longterm complications. The clinicians I'm currently working with who see patients do not believe it is, but then again I'm more of a data driven person anyway - so I'd rather the numbers than anecdotes.
Imagine 10k or 30k or 40k people have long term consequences from long covid; say they're ill on average for 6 to 8 months.
Ah I'm thinking along the lines of permanently disabled - with brain injury. A lifetime injury basically, rather than just poorly for a few months. And the sufferers include the young. Apologies if I've not been clear there.
Although I'm not convinced the evidence is there for herd immunity - I'm also not keen on destroying our economy with lockdown either.
Again, the numbers of serious long covid types as you describe would have to be massive to justify shutting down the economy to prevent this.
A bit of tiredness and feeling rough.