She says the flu and other viruses can cause long term complications, yet we don't close down our economy for those.
Not the argument ending statement it sounds like. Once you get past cancer, heart disease and respiratory illness the number of deaths drops massively. A bit like saying a country has the 7th largest army in the world, once you get past the Chinese, Russians, US and North Koreans it's all a bit irrelevant.
Knew I'd posted it somewhere recently - Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics is the source for the data. I haven't checked to see if it's been updated for the July data yet.
I see you’ve resorted to making stuff up again.This is great news for those who think herd immunity is part of the right strategy.
A recap of the discussion was that the vaccine initially will be in short supply and will be strategically dished out and @lastwalt thought that kids would be last to be given it and that it could be a year away before they even started giving it to children.
I thought that sounded like a good idea and during that year children would get the corona' and develop immunity, further enhancing herd immunity. Children are at almost no risk; flu has killed more kids this year than the corona' (I can provide good evidence if anyone wants it).
Keep in mind that we know corona is safe for kids, but it won't be known (possibly ever known) if the vaccine is safer than the corona for children.
That's strange - having seen her speak a couple of times, I'd have expected the discussion to be a bit unpacked than that (via Zoom rather than in person, given the current times).
Also a quick google seems to say that many of the criticisms are because she doesn't address that particular avenue.
She said that flu and other viruses cause long term complications and we don't shut the economy down for that.
That's weird because we already know the death rates for flu/covid are not the same (higher for COVID)
Not for children or young people it's not. Flu - regular influenza - has killed more than covid this year.
You want evidence? Take a look at the list of studies on Prof Bhopal's open letter in the BMJ; he cites three studies showing this.
This is Prof Gupta's outline for a solution:
Interesting, well it will be interesting to see if the data indicates they are the same in terms of longterm complications. The clinicians I'm currently working with who see patients do not believe it is, but then again I'm more of a data driven person anyway - so I'd rather the numbers than anecdotes.
Imagine 10k or 30k or 40k people have long term consequences from long covid; say they're ill on average for 6 to 8 months.
Ah I'm thinking along the lines of permanently disabled - with brain injury. A lifetime injury basically, rather than just poorly for a few months. And the sufferers include the young. Apologies if I've not been clear there.
Although I'm not convinced the evidence is there for herd immunity - I'm also not keen on destroying our economy with lockdown either.
Again, the numbers of serious long covid types as you describe would have to be massive to justify shutting down the economy to prevent this.
A bit of tiredness and feeling rough.
The most likely reason for a greater proportion of black and Asian people being infected than white people would be that a greater proportion of the former live in densely populated urban areas where the virus can more easily spread.
Those figures are also from early in the pandemic, when infection was mainly in a few large cities, again with a high minority population.
Areas with more infections will see more deaths.Which would have been a great answer if the graph from the ONS was showing infections, unfortunately it is showing deaths.
There's urban areas and then there's urban areas. Densely packed areas, areas where people use public transit extensively, areas which see a lot of travellers passing through, areas where a lot of the people work in hospitals and shops, areas where housing is especially expensive compared to income, etc., are more conducive to transmitting the virus than the suburbs.The UK population is very roughly split between 85% urban living and 15% rural living.
With the best will in the world, and whilst it may appear that some UK Cities have high BAME populations, I refuse to believe that any city in the UK has a BAME population that is 4 - 5 higher than a white population.
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I'm afraid that your likely reason does not hold much water for me and there must be other reasons / factors for the numbers in the above ONS graph.