MERS Coronavirus warning

Canadian officials expect the border to remain closed for the foreseeable future, despite demands by some US politicians to re-open it.
Those US politicians can go lick a bus seat in NYC, commerce is still flowing and that’s the main thing, not if some septic wants to go visit Algonquin park, we don’t want them here, simples.....
 
Re lockdown, probably managed regionally. Flu vaccination (and covid if available by then) for everyone over 50. Track and trace based on local GPs (although plenty of push back there)
One thing you should learn from this thread...

If a "covid" vaccine is available by then, the only thing that vaccine will guarantee is a much higher percentage of those infected after vaccination will be rapidly progressing to Acute Respiratory Distress and death.
 

Truxx

LE
One thing you should learn from this thread...

If a "covid" vaccine is available by then, the only thing that vaccine will guarantee is a much higher percentage of those infected after vaccination will be rapidly progressing to Acute Respiratory Distress and death.
My understanding is that in the UK 2 vaccination strategies are being trialled

The first is the classic whereby the immune system is prompted into creating antibodies. The second is about causing the virus to be masked to the immune system so that the body does not go into hyper drive and kill itself organ by organ. So you still get Covid, but your body does not go into meltdown.
 
My understanding is that in the UK 2 vaccination strategies are being trialled

The first is the classic whereby the immune system is prompted into creating antibodies. The second is about causing the virus to be masked to the immune system so that the body does not go into hyper drive and kill itself organ by organ. So you still get Covid, but your body does not go into meltdown.
Not going to work. Every coronavirus vaccine to date causes more death due to improper immune response. And "hiding" the virus just allows it to go about it's merry work until the viral load is too extreme. Even though coronavirus is basically a gentle rapist, not usually killing the cells that helps it propagate, it can, and like a "peaceful protest" the larger the population the more bystanders will be extinguished.
 

Truxx

LE
Not going to work. Every coronavirus vaccine to date causes more death due to improper immune response. And "hiding" the virus just allows it to go about it's merry work until the viral load is too extreme. Even though coronavirus is basically a gentle rapist, not usually killing the cells that helps it propagate, it can, and like a "peaceful protest" the larger the population the more bystanders will be extinguished.
Wow.

Let me pass on your details to Sir Patrick Vallance.
 

Fang_Farrier

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For your little chunk of an island...

Was it fun playing at triage nurse whilst getting away from all those manky teeth and leaving their owners to the possible ravages of endocarditis?
Nice try.

I don't play nurse, there was no need as all my nurses volunteered, of which I was quite proud. Anyway I had plenty other duties to keep me occupied.

And inbetween I have never escaped the manky teeth, the public dental service has been running the urgent dental care centres which have remained open to remove any grotty gnashers.
 

Fang_Farrier

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My Specialist kept on seeing me until the case rate in the hospital got a bit worrying, then offered the option to self administer my own TNF infusions at home with support which generous offer I took.
We have continued to see patients throughout.
In addition to physically seeing them have explored and used a variety of different telemedicine technology.
 
Nice try.

I don't play nurse, there was no need as all my nurses volunteered, of which I was quite proud. Anyway I had plenty other duties to keep me occupied.
According to you, there should be no such thing as "a" nurse. That's why I was specific with "triage nurse." Because general terms are unacceptable, but new "diseases" are inclusive of all syndromes, without allowing more precise imprecision.
 

Fang_Farrier

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According to you, there should be no such thing as "a" nurse. That's why I was specific with "triage nurse." Because general terms are unacceptable, but new "diseases" are inclusive of all syndromes, without allowing more precise imprecision.
Our covid assessment centres were staffed by an assessing nurse, a buddy nurse, an administrator and a senior decision maker.
My dental nurses filled any of the first 3 roles.

The current pandemic is currently called coronavirus disease (Covid 19).

By referring it to as common cold, you are incorrectly referring to an endemic condition that can be caused by over 200different strains of viruses.
 
Our covid assessment centres were staffed by an assessing nurse, a buddy nurse, an administrator and a senior decision maker.
My dental nurses filled any of the first 3 roles.

The current pandemic is currently called coronavirus disease (Covid 19).

By referring it to as common cold, you are incorrectly referring to an endemic condition that can be caused by over 200different strains of viruses.
As amply demonstrated previously coronaviruses are one of the primary etiologic agents causing the common cold. And the medical texts generally neglect to stipulate them as the cause of anything else, while they all can lead to worse syndromes such as pneumonia, ARDS, and MODS.

By lumping various syndromes known as the cold, the flu, pneumonia, ARDS and MODS into yet another all encompassing syndrome the industry has created a supposedly single virus "disease" that actually lays claim to the symptoms of just about every "disease" caused by literally hundreds of thousands of viruses, bacteria, and fungi.

The truth of the matter is that illness caused by any coronavirus may cause the infected to pass through any number of syndromes. The first of which, and only for the vast majority, is the common cold.
 

AfricaExpat

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I really find the negativity of many of the commentators to this discussion remarkable. There is a certainty of a second wave among some that would humble an evangelist preaching the second coming of Christ.

We have had a serious virus go through much of the population of the UK. Relatively few have died compared to many previous virus waves while deaths and cases are now running at the lowest level since the start of the lockdown and continue to decrease.

Social interaction at pubs, beaches and riots has been going on for over 2 months and there has been no explosion in cases.

Over half the present 600 or so daily UK cases are presently being recorded from just 5 towns. The prevalence of the virus in the general population is now virtually nil.

For the last 3 weeks and on a continuing trend overall deaths in the community are running at less than the 5 year average yet we continue to destroy our economy by creating restrictions and fear.

For all the talk of declining immunity there have been no cases of people being infected a second time. It really does seem quite clear that there remains a very high degree of immunity amongst those that have had it. The T cells business seems to be the key.

No location that has had a serious infection has suffered a second wave. Believe it or not even in the USA deaths remain at a seriously low level – see below.

The mandatory masks action seems to be solely based on maintaining fear in the community. If there is no immunity your all going to get it at some point regardless of masks and pinning hopes on a vaccine that is highly unlikely to work, and which if it does would probably be more dangerous than the virus is ridiculous.

The actions that have brought about a 10% to 15% reduction in GDP will ultimately create far more deaths than Civid-19 ever will. I try not to be a conspiracy theorist proponent but the nonsense being propagated and the lack of action by governments to get people working again really makes me wonder.
 

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Not all medical facilities were shut. Most routine care was suspended but most specialities continued to see urgent and emergency referrals.
Other health care workers were redeployed to various locations in line with our pandemic plans.
The same was true in Canada.
 
(...) Social interaction at pubs, beaches and riots has been going on for over 2 months and there has been no explosion in cases.
I thought the pubs only just opened in the UK?

As for outdoor infections,, current thought is that risk of transmission of the virus may be much lower outdoors than indoors. The air is mixed and diluted much more rapidly outdoors than indoors. The data from various outdoor events is being studied with respect to this, but restaurants in Ontario Canada are being allowed to serve meals outdoors.

Over half the present 600 or so daily UK cases are presently being recorded from just 5 towns. The prevalence of the virus in the general population is now virtually nil.
In the current phase of fighting the pandemic it is expected that outbreaks will be localized, and can be contained if dealt with promptly. It is important however to identify and prevent high risk activities (e.g. big concerts, etc.) to help prevent outbreaks from being carried to more cities and taking root there.

For the last 3 weeks and on a continuing trend overall deaths in the community are running at less than the 5 year average yet we continue to destroy our economy by creating restrictions and fear.
Most restrictions have been lifted. The pubs are open in the UK FFS. The only people who seem to be panicking are the ones who say the current plan isn't working. They need to take a deep breath and calm down.

For all the talk of declining immunity there have been no cases of people being infected a second time. It really does seem quite clear that there remains a very high degree of immunity amongst those that have had it. The T cells business seems to be the key.
The main government plans revolve around the idea that immunity can be acquired, preferably through the use of a vaccine. With many viruses however, immunity fades over a period of time, and so regular booster shots may be needed.

If and when a vaccine is developed, it will be rolled out to everyone. The problem then will be to deal with the rabid anti-vaccers who will try to sabotage this.

No location that has had a serious infection has suffered a second wave. Believe it or not even in the USA deaths remain at a seriously low level – see below.
Certain parts of the US are currently seeing a second wave, but that's because they didn't really suppress the first wave properly to begin with. They seem to have forgotten about "measure twice cut once" in their impatience to declare victory. California is a good example of this.

The mandatory masks action seems to be solely based on maintaining fear in the community. If there is no immunity your all going to get it at some point regardless of masks and pinning hopes on a vaccine that is highly unlikely to work, and which if it does would probably be more dangerous than the virus is ridiculous.
The point of masks is to allow the economy to recover by limiting transmission of the virus. People who don't want masks to be worn are saying they don't want the economy to recover.

The actions that have brought about a 10% to 15% reduction in GDP will ultimately create far more deaths than Civid-19 ever will. I try not to be a conspiracy theorist proponent but the nonsense being propagated and the lack of action by governments to get people working again really makes me wonder.
Unlike in a "normal" recession, productive capacity has not been destroyed. The economy has been in suspended animation, not dead. Growth will recover rapidly provided the pandemic can be suppressed enough in the UK to allow more normality to return.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Pubs in Scotland can now open inside premises today.
Although for the last week it has just been outside.
Various restrictions are in place. No standing at bar, table service, have to give name and address in case needed later for test and protect.
 
I really find the negativity of many of the commentators to this discussion remarkable. There is a certainty of a second wave among some that would humble an evangelist preaching the second coming of Christ.

We have had a serious virus go through much of the population of the UK. Relatively few have died compared to many previous virus waves while deaths and cases are now running at the lowest level since the start of the lockdown and continue to decrease.

Social interaction at pubs, beaches and riots has been going on for over 2 months and there has been no explosion in cases.

Over half the present 600 or so daily UK cases are presently being recorded from just 5 towns. The prevalence of the virus in the general population is now virtually nil.

For the last 3 weeks and on a continuing trend overall deaths in the community are running at less than the 5 year average yet we continue to destroy our economy by creating restrictions and fear.

For all the talk of declining immunity there have been no cases of people being infected a second time. It really does seem quite clear that there remains a very high degree of immunity amongst those that have had it. The T cells business seems to be the key.

No location that has had a serious infection has suffered a second wave. Believe it or not even in the USA deaths remain at a seriously low level – see below.

The mandatory masks action seems to be solely based on maintaining fear in the community. If there is no immunity your all going to get it at some point regardless of masks and pinning hopes on a vaccine that is highly unlikely to work, and which if it does would probably be more dangerous than the virus is ridiculous.

The actions that have brought about a 10% to 15% reduction in GDP will ultimately create far more deaths than Civid-19 ever will. I try not to be a conspiracy theorist proponent but the nonsense being propagated and the lack of action by governments to get people working again really makes me wonder.
Whose sock are you?
 

Truxx

LE
In fairness, having listened to him earlier today, he wasn't that hopeful for either of the two strategies.
My understanding is that it is proving to be incredibly difficult to prove an absence of something. Let's say the trial innoculated 1000. At the end of 6 months the vast majority have not got it of have had it.

There are so many variables that "not having it" could have been down to many things, not just the vaccine.

The only real way to tell is to vaccinate, then expose the sample to the virus.

But that is not possible for obvious reasons.

That said my man on the inside was quite clear that UK was well ahead of everyone with the science, and he was at pains to point out the systemic comprehensive nature of the UK approach, which has a whole raft of threads where clever folk are working not just on a vaccine, but everything up to and including you and I getting a needle in the arm ( and subsequent management) with all stages currently funded centrally.
 
We have continued to see patients throughout.
In addition to physically seeing them have explored and used a variety of different telemedicine technology.
yes, e-consult is rather good, big fan of that. Ping a message, and a happy medical face within hours for a chat.
 
As amply demonstrated previously coronaviruses are one of the primary etiologic agents causing the common cold. And the medical texts generally neglect to stipulate them as the cause of anything else, while they all can lead to worse syndromes such as pneumonia, ARDS, and MODS.

By lumping various syndromes known as the cold, the flu, pneumonia, ARDS and MODS into yet another all encompassing syndrome the industry has created a supposedly single virus "disease" that actually lays claim to the symptoms of just about every "disease" caused by literally hundreds of thousands of viruses, bacteria, and fungi.

The truth of the matter is that illness caused by any coronavirus may cause the infected to pass through any number of syndromes. The first of which, and only for the vast majority, is the common cold.
'It’s just a cold'....

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the US is currently going into a enormously disastrous COVID meltdown that may well totally crash it’s economy and cause massive social upheaval.
 
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Our covid assessment centres were staffed by an assessing nurse, a buddy nurse, an administrator and a senior decision maker.
My dental nurses filled any of the first 3 roles.

The current pandemic is currently called coronavirus disease (Covid 19).

By referring it to as common cold, you are incorrectly referring to an endemic condition that can be caused by over 200different strains of viruses.
Saying it's just like a cold is a bit like saying a 6 inch knife in the gut is just like a paper cut.
 

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