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MERS Coronavirus warning

In life mirroring Borat, the most glorious nation of Kazakhstan says Chinese are know-nothings and there is no new deadly virus in most wonderful and healthy nation

So authorities in Kazakhstan have denied a report published by Chinese officials that the country is experiencing an outbreak of "unknown pneumonia" potentially deadlier than the novel coronavirus.
The "unknown pneumonia" was also mentioned in this post:

The WHO are looking into it with the Kazakh authorities. The WHO are keeping an open mind about it at this point, but they suspect that it's actually just COVID-19 and that Kazakhstan have a problem with their lab testing. Kazakhstan are currently seeing large increases in numbers of COVID-19 infections.

It's a situation to keep an eye on however, regardless of the cause.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Trump is now wearing a mask in public.

Wonder if that will change the rhetoric?
 
Trump is now wearing a mask in public.

Wonder if that will change the rhetoric?

Now that Trump is wearing a mask, health advisors and liberal governors all over the country will declare them unsafe, and the media will declare that Trump's decision to force masks on everyone is racist and killing grandparents.
 

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Now that Trump is wearing a mask, health advisors and liberal governors all over the country will declare them unsafe, and the media will declare that Trump's decision to force masks on everyone is racist and killing grandparents.

So all the radicals who have been in court fighting the wearing of face masks in the US claiming it breached their rights are now liberals?
 
So all the radicals who have been in court fighting the wearing of face masks in the US claiming it breached their rights are now liberals?

No.
 
Figures you quoted of daily infections (with a huge grin no doubt) v population. However, takes no account of density factoring. Nor does it take account of number of test done per day, all of which can be used to turn stats on their head.

And forgive me, but I'll stick up for GB all day long.

absolutely not with any Grin!
If anything with anger as the only way to defeat this is with countries working responsibly and together.

the original figures were the daily increase in cases. The numbers per 100,000 were total cases.

population density wouldn’t be as much of a fact if people were given correct advise and followed it
 

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But,....how is going to breathe? Won’t he get brain damage from lack of oxygen? And he will surely now go to hell for interfering with God’s beautiful respiratory system!

I know, does seem a bit much for the "common cold"
 
I know, does seem a bit much for the "common cold"
There you go being all ironic, finally displaying a bit of critical thinking, whilst committing sarcasm.

You should try it more often, the critical thinking, not the sarcasm, it used to be prized in health care and science. Perhaps it will make a comeback.
 

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The "unknown pneumonia" was also mentioned in this post:

The WHO are looking into it with the Kazakh authorities. The WHO are keeping an open mind about it at this point, but they suspect that it's actually just COVID-19 and that Kazakhstan have a problem with their lab testing. Kazakhstan are currently seeing large increases in numbers of COVID-19 infections.

It's a situation to keep an eye on however, regardless of the cause.


As I've previously mentioned, Kazakh and Russian medical communities were reporting unusual numbers of serious and unidentified pneumonic illnesses as far back as spring last year. Given the nature of the regimes and clinical reporting standards in the region, I doubt WHO will be able to collate any meaningful data. However speculation in those medical circles is that C19 is actually the second or third wave of pandemic originating in China.

Significantly, China- Kazakhstan-southern Russia is currently a major transit corridor for trade and for Chinese commercial infrastructure - a northern branch of the old Silk Route. As expected, the predominant flow of people and goods is out of China, with little return flow other than Chinese nationals (Kazakhstan has a serious problem with its poorer people being economically displaced from manufacture, trading and jobs by Chinese nationals).
 
All those health care heroes that haven't been laid off bravely and busily making phone calls to cancel appointments in favor of telehealth conferencing or nothing at all from their empty clinics sadly keep losing patients to Covid-19...


Does that sound like a bit much? @Fang_Farrier
 

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All those health care heroes that haven't been laid off bravely and busily making phone calls to cancel appointments in favor of telehealth conferencing or nothing at all from their empty clinics sadly keep losing patients to Covid-19...


Does that sound like a bit much? @Fang_Farrier

If you care to look back to March, I made repeated posts that shutting down the NHS would have an impact on many conditions.

The figures quoted suggest 900 more deaths at home but 600 less in hospital.
Net cancer deaths over the time since March 300 deaths.
Covid deaths 4000.
 
If you care to look back to March, I made repeated posts that shutting down the NHS would have an impact on many conditions.

If you care to step outside of your own little box, you may recognize that mine is a comment on the complete lack of critical thinking on the part of the entire health care industry. Or at least critical thinking wasted on a completely wrong-headed agenda that has nothing to do with community health, that has produced the most egregious excesses of institutional violence ever. All over a cold virus.

You may also note that, from the beginning, I have stated, "everyone will get it," there will not be a safe vaccine for it (or any other coronavirus) for a very, very long time, and it will continue to circle the planet just like every other cold.
 
As I've previously mentioned, Kazakh and Russian medical communities were reporting unusual numbers of serious and unidentified pneumonic illnesses as far back as spring last year. Given the nature of the regimes and clinical reporting standards in the region, I doubt WHO will be able to collate any meaningful data. However speculation in those medical circles is that C19 is actually the second or third wave of pandemic originating in China.

Significantly, China- Kazakhstan-southern Russia is currently a major transit corridor for trade and for Chinese commercial infrastructure - a northern branch of the old Silk Route. As expected, the predominant flow of people and goods is out of China, with little return flow other than Chinese nationals (Kazakhstan has a serious problem with its poorer people being economically displaced from manufacture, trading and jobs by Chinese nationals).

major smuggling route too - and a major branch ends up in - Iran.
 

Fang_Farrier

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If you care to step outside of your own little box, you may recognize that mine is a comment on the complete lack of critical thinking on the part of the entire health care industry. Or at least critical thinking wasted on a completely wrong-headed agenda that has nothing to do with community health, that has produced the most egregious excesses of institutional violence ever. All over a cold virus.

You may also note that, from the beginning, I have stated, "everyone will get it," there will not be a safe vaccine for it (or any other coronavirus) for a very, very long time, and it will continue to circle the planet just like every other cold.

It is a virus that has been very efficient at filling ICU beds and overwhelming health services through the world.

To call it a cold virus is a deliberate attempt to make our attempts to deal with it an over reaction.

There is no such thing as "a" cold virus. There are many viruses that can cause the common cold, most are rhinoviruses or picornaviruses. Also implicated in common colds are a whole list of viruses, often a cold sufferer will have more than one virus at a time. (other viruses which can cause colds are influenza virus, parainfluenza, adenovirus, enterovirus, orthopneumovirus) The corona virus is just one of many which cause cold.
 

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absolutely not with any Grin!
If anything with anger as the only way to defeat this is with countries working responsibly and together.

the original figures were the daily increase in cases. The numbers per 100,000 were total cases.

population density wouldn’t be as much of a fact if people were given correct advise and followed it

Just to say, population density is a major factor: Blackburn currently has rising numbers, which are getting tracked to the home; terraced housing and large familes..........maybe language may too come to the fore :oops: ;)

Anyhoo, I'm sick to farken death of the Corona, I've walked the dog 4 mile this morning, now considering going for a pint of real draught Ale.
 
That is kind of like saying there is no

It is a virus that has been very efficient at filling ICU beds and overwhelming health services through the world.

To call it a cold virus is a deliberate attempt to make our attempts to deal with it an over reaction.

There is no such thing as "a" cold virus. There are many viruses that can cause the common cold, most are rhinoviruses or picornaviruses. Also implicated in common colds are a whole list of viruses, often a cold sufferer will have more than one virus at a time. (other viruses which can cause colds are influenza virus, parainfluenza, adenovirus, enterovirus, orthopneumovirus) The corona virus is just one of many which cause cold.

It is a shit storm of disinformation that has gotten a hell of a lot of hypochondriacs with the cold to overwhelm one of the smaller segments of the ill prepared and irresponsible health care systems with their "observation stays" using up beds while burning through supplies, outnumbering the those that actually need respiratory support because of their progression from the cold to pneumonia, ARDS, or MODS, while 80% of the space in any given facility was shut down doing no care. There is not 1 damn facility that doesn't have multiple entrances, segregated HEPA filtered HVAC systems, disinfection and sanitation standards, and the capability to actually separate patient traffic to prevent nosocomial spread of contagions. The only reason to shut down most of the space in every facility on the planet and deny treatment to everyone except Covid-19 patients is because of maladministration in the form of habitual under-staffing and irresponsibly inadequate supply.

It is a cold virus. One of many cold viruses, which I have pointed out repeatedly. And no... only 2 of the influenza viruses are really on the list of the many viruses responsible for causing the syndrome known as the common cold. Would you say "there is no such thing as "a" Dentist, because there are many Dentists?

A reminder from Medical Microbiology...

Chapter 60 Coronaviruses

General Concepts

Clinical Presentation

Coronaviruses cause acute, mild upper respiratory infection (common cold).

Structure
Spherical or pleomorphic enveloped particles containing single-stranded (positive-sense) RNA associated with a nucleoprotein within a capsid comprised of matrix protein. The envelope bears club-shaped glycoprotein projections.

Classification
Coronaviruses (and toroviruses) are classified together on the basis of the crown or halo-like appearance of the envelope glycoproteins, and on characteristic features of chemistry and replication. Most human coronaviruses fall into one of two serotypes: OC43-like and 229E-like.
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HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and SARS-CoV-2 would all be beta-coronaviruses.

Just like 229E, NL63, HKU1, and OC43, scary old SARS isn't even really tracked anymore. HKU1 was actually discovered after the SARS rebranding, and it had at least a few confirmed cases of it being the only infection in some pneumonia and even ARDS cases in oldies and CHILDREN, but they couldn't get a coordinated marketing effort together as it was found to be everywhere already, with no significant numbers of cases that got past the common cold stage.

SARS-2's survival rate curve, for those that progress to requiring hospitalization, is (as already pointed out) almost exactly the same as that of 229E, but is actually even better than 229E and OC43 for anyone under the age of 65.

*Daddy SARS' survival rate curve was much worse when it showed up, until it wasn't a few months later, and then, we quit talking about it.
 
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Don't want to be a spoil sport but the UK new v total Covid 19 graph is going the wrong way.


America continues to go to hell in a handcart.
 

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It is a shit storm of disinformation that has gotten a hell of a lot of hypochondriacs with the cold to overwhelm one of the smaller segments of the ill prepared and irresponsible health care systems with their "observation stays" using up beds while burning through supplies, outnumbering the those that actually need respiratory support because of their progression from the cold to pneumonia, ARDS, or MODS, while 80% of the space in any given facility was shut down doing no care. There is not 1 damn facility that doesn't have multiple entrances, segregated HEPA filtered HVAC systems, disinfection and sanitation standards, and the capability to actually separate patient traffic to prevent nosocomial spread of contagions. The only reason to shut down most of the space in every facility on the planet and deny treatment to everyone except Covid-19 patients is because of maladministration in the form of habitual under-staffing and irresponsibly inadequate supply.

It is a cold virus. One of many cold viruses, which I have pointed out repeatedly. And no... only 2 of the influenza viruses are really on the list of the many viruses responsible for causing the syndrome known as the common cold. Would you say "there is no such thing as "a" Dentist, because there are many Dentists?

A reminder from Medical Microbiology...

Chapter 60 Coronaviruses

General Concepts

Clinical Presentation

Coronaviruses cause acute, mild upper respiratory infection (common cold).

Structure
Spherical or pleomorphic enveloped particles containing single-stranded (positive-sense) RNA associated with a nucleoprotein within a capsid comprised of matrix protein. The envelope bears club-shaped glycoprotein projections.

Classification
Coronaviruses (and toroviruses) are classified together on the basis of the crown or halo-like appearance of the envelope glycoproteins, and on characteristic features of chemistry and replication. Most human coronaviruses fall into one of two serotypes: OC43-like and 229E-like.
-----

HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and SARS-CoV-2 would all be beta-coronaviruses.

Just like 229E, NL63, HKU1, and OC43, scary old SARS isn't even really tracked anymore. HKU1 was actually discovered after the SARS rebranding, and it had at least a few confirmed cases of it being the only infection in some pneumonia and even ARDS cases in oldies and CHILDREN, but they couldn't get a coordinated marketing effort together as it was found to be everywhere already, with no significant numbers of cases that got past the common cold stage.

SARS-2's survival rate curve, for those that progress to requiring hospitalization, is (as already pointed out) almost exactly the same as that of 229E, but is actually even better than 229E and OC43 for anyone under the age of 65.

*Daddy SARS' survival rate curve was much worse when it showed up, until it wasn't a few months later, and then, we quit talking about it.

Ok I'll bite.

Having worked in a covid assessment centre, I know what the criteria for admission are, and nobody got near a hospital without being very unwell. No "observation stays" and hypochondriac were sent home.

Repeated saying it is a cold virus means absolutely nothing, there's hundreds of viruses that cause symptoms analogous to what we call a cold. Many can also cause other symptoms.

With regards to the a dentist, then yes I would say no such thing as "a" dentist. There are multiple specialities, multiple sub divisions of those. Then you can separate on public, independent or private.
For instance, I am a public dental service senior dental officer with a specialist position caring for dependent older patients. Across the corridor from me the morn will be an Independent principle with a special interest in orthodontics, next door to him, will be an associate general dental practitioner. Last surgery will be a vocational dental practitioner.

So just as you can call something a cold virus you can call someone a dentist but that does not mean that every cold virus does the same thing, just as every dentist does not do the same thing.

What's the date on your book as teh link does not work
 

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