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Not exactly. The Human Immunodeficiency Virus actually shuts down the immune system leading to Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome, which allows all sorts of opportunistic infections to kill you. ARDS, where the immune system actually does the killing, can be propagated by literally anything, including the common cold, which no one bothers to track. Hundreds of years of "it's just a cold" (which progresses to pneumonia then recorded as a pneumonia death, when it was really an ARDS death) make the contortions going into hyping the newest pandemic seem a bit much.

True 20 minutes is an exaggeration, surely I am allowed one that doesn't make any difference, especially compared to all the exaggeration, misdirection, and outright lies on the other side of the argument. No matter how quickly those nurses gown up, they aren't going in more than they have to, and they will not stay any longer than they have to.

Actually being in a Covid-19 isolation ward, I wasn't bothered by the nurses much at all. With the thermostat set at it's coldest setting, every hero that visited complained of it being hot in the full suit, and made their way out as quickly as they could. I should note that in February, I was admitted for heart attack symptoms, and left with diagnosis of RBBB and LQTS. During my later admission for "Covid-19," episodes of VT and even a weird, thankfully transient, VFib (which lasted about 4 minutes) were basically ignored.

Luckily, or perhaps unluckily, I keep proving to be hard to kill.
My analogy was more to do with the fact you seem to be stating that Coronavirus does not kill you, but something it causes does.
The same with HIV.

The only time I noticed it too hot was when in a slightly different gown which was basically made of the same polythene as as a thin bin bag. The rest of the time it's fine enough.
 

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We see rising levels in the American South, and wonder why the incidence continues to rise in the summer.
One difference between us and the Americans is how we respond to the seasons. Was on a call with a colleague in Atlanta GA last week, we commented on the weather and how I'd got all the doors and windows open cos it was hot. He laughed and said he's got all his closed cos it's even hotter and he's got air con.
Quite possible that the more developed hot countries will fare worse with their air con and recirculated bugs than the poorer ones who still rely on open windows and fresh air.
 
We see rising levels in the American South, and wonder why the incidence continues to rise in the summer.
One difference between us and the Americans is how we respond to the seasons. Was on a call with a colleague in Atlanta GA last week, we commented on the weather and how I'd got all the doors and windows open cos it was hot. He laughed and said he's got all his closed cos it's even hotter and he's got air con.
Quite possible that the more developed hot countries will fare worse with their air con and recirculated bugs than the poorer ones who still rely on open windows and fresh air.
Perhaps.
People at the lower end of the social scale tend not to have air con or at least use it sparingly, even in Houston, due to the cost.
The data from Texas has no useful information regarding ethnicity, but I would be amazed if immigrant communities, latin- and African American communities aren't bearing the brunt of this. They tend to live in more crowded conditions, and are less prone to the standard Texan concept of "personal space".
 
40 cases/30000000 Texans = 0.0000013, not exactly a statistically significant variance. It is also barely a statistically relevant number with respect to the 50,000 tests a day (also 7 day averaged) with a positivity rate of 15.03%, and with a grand total (as of today) of 220,564 confirmed cases, the total 2,183 attributed deaths works out to a death rate of 1.2% for Texas for "confirmed" cases. But there are still a million or more Texans with SARS-CoV-2 infections that will never be tested which really lowers the actual death rate even more.

Of course, no one has died from any coronavirus, not even SARS-CoV-2.
However, a little more than 500,000 across the entire planet are counted to have died with SARS-CoV-2.
These counts are inaccurate, some may not have been counted, and some counted are not infected. Call it a wash.

People have died from ARDS. This syndrome of the lungs being overwhelmed by the body's own immune response is what all of them, and several million more that were not infected with SARS-CoV-2 die from every year.

ARDS is a sydrome. Pneumonia is a syndrome. The flu is a syndrome. The common cold is a syndrome. All syndromes are classified as such by their common symptoms but multiple causes.


The common cold is caused by coronaviruses, 2 different influenza viruses, and a handful of other viruses.

The flu is caused by influenza viruses, except the 2 that got lumped into the common cold.

The sniffles is caused by RSV, and anything else until symptoms or testing differentiates it as some other thing.

Pneumonia is caused by everything.

SARS was a renaming of ARDS to try to specifically attach it as a disease (not a syndrome) to a new (novel) coronavirus. That flopped, so it is no longer tracked, it is also no longer new.

They didn't bother calling the new new SARS-CoC-2 as SARS 2 because SARS is no longer scary. So, new name, but we will go on trying to stretch the list of symptoms for the progression of three different syndromes across the face of the new virus.

If someone is infected with the "new" coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, they are said to have the "new" made up "disease" Covid-19, which is the spliced together composite of three (or more) different syndromes.

What they really have is a coronavirus infection, and their very first symptoms will likely be those of the syndrome known as "the common cold," because that is what coronaviruses do.

If their body isn't successful in fighting it off early with it's 'first string players,' then the patient will progress into the next syndrome known as "pneumonia" where the infection has spread into the lungs, and the body is trying to organize 'special teams' with new ways to kill it off. The new immune system responses will normally be successful at this point.

However, sometimes immune system responses go awry. With coronaviruses this seems to happen after multiple exposures, especially if the previous exposure was from an attempted vaccine which would not have all the same elements of the actual virus. This would be the unfortunate progression to a third syndrome known as ARDS.

Advanced Respiratory Distress Syndrome. You've got an ~80% chance of dying from this syndrome.
Remember it is your body's inappropriate response to whatever (infection or even injury) that is destroying your lungs. Also remember it has that ~80% chance of killing you because you are definitely not getting proper treatment while on that ventilator. There will be no one properly qualified monitoring your blood gas exchange, much less completely familiar with the intricacies, to make subtle changes in your therapy that you will need to survive, or sit there checking those numbers closely for the recommended 4-6 hours after every event/change. The most you will have is a nurse who is "familiar" with vents (she can turn the alarm off, and call RT). That nurse will likely take 20 minutes to mask and gown up to go into your room to check on you once an hour (or maybe once a shift), and shift you a bit to try to prevent bed sores. Not exactly what you need.

All of these patients that end up dying may die with SARS-CoV-2, but quite a few of them are actually dying from the malfunction of their own immune system and incompetent, improper, and incomplete treatment of their ARDS. Every coronavirus vaccine (and RSV vaccine) attempted has historically proven to increase the chances of a patient's rapid advancement to ARDS by ******* up the immune response.
You are right, nobody is dying as a result of COVID-19 infection in Texas. Nobody is suffering life changing harm. The infection rate is totally under control. It's all in there in the statistics.

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Just a statistical blip.
 
My analogy was more to do with the fact you seem to be stating that Coronavirus does not kill you, but something it causes does.
The same with HIV.

The only time I noticed it too hot was when in a slightly different gown which was basically made of the same polythene as as a thin bin bag. The rest of the time it's fine enough.
Not the same. HIV has no other family that does exactly the same thing that is basically ignored or lumped together for stats. Coronaviruses cause "the cold."


As far as the reporting from the CDC, they have now taken to lumping pneumonia, flu, and Covid-19 together for reporting, to keep the numbers at "the epidemic threshold" but the US deaths from ALL of them together actually dropped over one third this week.

MORTALITY:
Based on death certificate data, the percentage
of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or
COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during
week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing
the tenth week of a declining percentage of
deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently
at the epidemic threshold but will likely change
as more death certificates are processed,
particularly for recent weeks.


But, of course the media is cherry picking the worst sounding statistics they can find and misrepresenting them, while the CDC is saying, "Don't worry, it's actually worse than how we bad can make it look right now, we'll find something else to lump in eventually."
 
You are right, nobody is dying as a result of COVID-19 infection in Texas. Nobody is suffering life changing harm. The infection rate is totally under control. It's all in there in the statistics.

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Just a statistical blip.
9610 / 30000000 Texans = 0.00032, three hundredths of 1% is not statistically anything.
9610 / 220564 confirmed cases = 0.04357, so 4% of confirmed cases got sick, but how sick? No. That chart is total hospitalizations. From what? What percentage of those are people that finally got to go see the doc for something else that badly needed to be taken care of? What actual percentage of that number actually has a SARS-CoV-2 infection? What percentage of the hospital admissions are on respirators? What percentage are not? Guaranteed that more are not on respirators than there are, no matter what the admissions are actually for.

*Did a little checking, Texas has about 600 hospitals, with about 70,000 beds total, that average around 3,000,000 admissions a year (8,220 a day) staying an average of a little over 5.5 days each, for a total of about 16,000,000 inpatient days per year. Looks to me like numbers have bounded back up to somewhat normal sailing after being denied healthcare other than on the phone for the last 5 months.
 
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Some news articles from Deutsche Welle:

Spain's Catalonia region imposes strict mask regulation
The Spanish region of Catalonia has become the first to extend a nationwide directive on wearing masks in public, making it mandatory at all distances. Officials say the move comes amid a drop in mask-wearing discipline.
Spain's Catalonia region imposes strict mask regulation | DW | 09.07.2020

Merkel touts media's 'great responsibility' amid coronavirus pandemic
Germany's chancellor said the virus has presented Europe with new challenges, particularly regarding the flow of information. She also called for greater access to reliable media during a videoconference with EU leaders.
Merkel touts media's 'great responsibility' amid coronavirus pandemic | DW | 07.07.2020

Study: Google, Amazon ad revenue funds pandemic disinformation
More than $25 million in ad revenues could be directed to sites spreading fake news by the end of this year, according to researchers. Advertisements for brands including L’Oreal and Microsoft have also been featured.
Study: Google, Amazon ad revenue funds pandemic disinformation | DW | 08.07.2020

Coronavirus latest: WHO launches panel to review international COVID-19 response
The WHO says an independent panel is to assess global responses to the COVID-19 pandemic. This comes as the number of cases worldwide approaches 12 million. Follow DW for the latest.
Coronavirus latest: WHO launches panel to review international COVID-19 response | DW | 09.07.2020

There were concerns and criticism about the way the WTO responded to the coronovirus. DW reports on two of the candidates for the job of director General.
Women from Kenya and Nigeria in running for WTO's top job
A Nigerian woman and a Kenyan woman are among seven candidates to become the next director-general of the World Trade Organization. The others come from Egypt, South Korea, Mexico, Moldova and Britain.

The Geneva-based organization is looking for a replacement for Brazil's Roberto Azevedo, who is stepping down in August — a year before the scheduled end of his four-year term.

Azevedo's successor will need to steer the WTO through reforms and negotiations in the face of rising protectionism, a deep recession caused by the coronavirus pandemic and growing trade tensions — notably between the United States and China.

There is broad support to pick a candidate from Africa and a woman, sources following the process told Reuters news agency.

No African has been WTO director-general since its founding in 1995, nor headed its predecessor organization, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), which started in 1948.

Women from Kenya and Nigeria in running for WTO's top job | DW | 08.07.2020
 
40 cases/30000000 Texans = 0.0000013, not exactly a statistically significant variance. It is also barely a statistically relevant number with respect to the 50,000 tests a day (also 7 day averaged) with a positivity rate of 15.03%, and with a grand total (as of today) of 220,564 confirmed cases, the total 2,183 attributed deaths works out to a death rate of 1.2% for Texas for "confirmed" cases. But there are still a million or more Texans with SARS-CoV-2 infections that will never be tested which really lowers the actual death rate even more.

Of course, no one has died from any coronavirus, not even SARS-CoV-2.
However, a little more than 500,000 across the entire planet are counted to have died with SARS-CoV-2.
These counts are inaccurate, some may not have been counted, and some counted are not infected. Call it a wash.

People have died from ARDS. This syndrome of the lungs being overwhelmed by the body's own immune response is what all of them, and several million more that were not infected with SARS-CoV-2 die from every year.

ARDS is a sydrome. Pneumonia is a syndrome. The flu is a syndrome. The common cold is a syndrome. All syndromes are classified as such by their common symptoms but multiple causes.

The common cold is caused by coronaviruses, 2 different influenza viruses, and a handful of other viruses.

The flu is caused by influenza viruses, except the 2 that got lumped into the common cold.

The sniffles is caused by RSV, and anything else until symptoms or testing differentiates it as some other thing.

Pneumonia is caused by everything.

SARS was a renaming of ARDS to try to specifically attach it as a disease (not a syndrome) to a new (novel) coronavirus. That flopped, so it is no longer tracked, it is also no longer new.

They didn't bother calling the new new SARS-CoC-2 as SARS 2 because SARS is no longer scary. So, new name, but we will go on trying to stretch the list of symptoms for the progression of three different syndromes across the face of the new virus.

If someone is infected with the "new" coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, they are said to have the "new" made up "disease" Covid-19, which is the spliced together composite of three (or more) different syndromes.

What they really have is a coronavirus infection, and their very first symptoms will likely be those of the syndrome known as "the common cold," because that is what coronaviruses do.

If their body isn't successful in fighting it off early with it's 'first string players,' then the patient will progress into the next syndrome known as "pneumonia" where the infection has spread into the lungs, and the body is trying to organize 'special teams' with new ways to kill it off. The new immune system responses will normally be successful at this point.

However, sometimes immune system responses go awry. With coronaviruses this seems to happen after multiple exposures, especially if the previous exposure was from an attempted vaccine which would not have all the same elements of the actual virus. This would be the unfortunate progression to a third syndrome known as ARDS.

Advanced Respiratory Distress Syndrome. You've got an ~80% chance of dying from this syndrome.
Remember it is your body's inappropriate response to whatever (infection or even injury) that is destroying your lungs. Also remember it has that ~80% chance of killing you because you are definitely not getting proper treatment while on that ventilator. There will be no one properly qualified monitoring your blood gas exchange, much less completely familiar with the intricacies, to make subtle changes in your therapy that you will need to survive, or sit there checking those numbers closely for the recommended 4-6 hours after every event/change. The most you will have is a nurse who is "familiar" with vents (she can turn the alarm off, and call RT). That nurse will likely take 20 minutes to mask and gown up to go into your room to check on you once an hour (or maybe once a shift), and shift you a bit to try to prevent bed sores. Not exactly what you need.

All of these patients that end up dying may die with SARS-CoV-2, but quite a few of them are actually dying from the malfunction of their own immune system and incompetent, improper, and incomplete treatment of their ARDS. Every coronavirus vaccine (and RSV vaccine) attempted has historically proven to increase the chances of a patient's rapid advancement to ARDS by ******* up the immune response.
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*Did a little checking, Texas has about 600 hospitals, with about 70,000 beds total, that average around 3,000,000 admissions a year (8,220 a day) staying an average of a little over 5.5 days each, for a total of about 16,000,000 inpatient days per year. Looks to me like numbers have bounded back up to somewhat normal sailing after being denied healthcare other than on the phone for the last 5 months.
According to the Texas Health and Human Services Department, 17% of hospital beds are currently taken with people suffering from COVID-19, and in the worst affected counties they are at over 80% occupancy.

When you did your checking, it looks like you asked the questions you thought would give you the answer you wanted to receive.

Why do you think they are lying?
 
One thing that seems to be popping up at the moment in the literature is the question as to how the disease is transferred. Some are claiming that it is a truly airborne pathogen. Others that it is only transmitted in large droplets.

If truly airborne, the pathogen would be carried in tiny droplets that linger in the air for a long time. Masks of limited use.

If spread in large droplets, these vectors would fall to ground very quickly . Masks useful.

If you take a fluid dynamics approach, the former is possible. With an epidemiology or microbiological approach, there is too little evidence either way.

At the moment, the general opinion is that it is only carried in large droplets and so is not truly airborne which is good but I do think we should watch this space. My own opinion is that it is not truly airborne. The rate of spread seems insufficient for a truly airborne pathogen like TB or measles implying that droplets do not stay in the air for a long time.

This does not affect opinions of fomite, contact, close association spread.
 
No. Flu is a different syndrome with some different symptoms. SARS-CoV-2 causes THE COMMON COLD in 95% of cases.
It turns into pneumonia for 5% of the cases, and follows on into ARDS in about 1% of cases.

What are the numbers for every other coronavirus?

And since you brought THAT fallacy up... What are the numbers for the influenza viruses?
 
According to the Texas Health and Human Services Department, 17% of hospital beds are currently taken with people suffering from COVID-19, and in the worst affected counties they are at over 80% occupancy.

When you did your checking, it looks like you asked the questions you thought would give you the answer you wanted to receive.

Why do you think they are lying?
17% of all beds occupied would be more covid-19 patients than they are claiming they have. Is that the case, or is it that 17% of occupied beds are covid-19 patients?

The typical occupancy rate for TX hospital beds is a bit over 60%. So... how would that rate look after you kept people from seeing their doctors for 5 months, and then let them loose?
 

There appears to be an ( average) upwards trend in Covid hospitalisations.
And according to their figures, TMC's medical network has 626 covid-19 patients in ICU out of more than 1300 total patients in ICU with over 2200 ICU beds, so less than half of ICU patients have a SARS-CoV-2 infection. It is unclear if they are following the current CDC guide of lumping all the "flu like symptom" and "pneumonia" patients, regardless of test results, into the accounting for covid-19. Planning for second stage shows 17% of occupied beds will be "covid-19" patients, not 17% of capacity, so thanks for the answer to that question.
 
Spikes in certain areas in Spain is causing concern. The regions of Catalonia and the Balearics have now introduced compulsory mask wearing in all public places, even outdoors when the distance rules can be maintained. Murcia is considering doing the same. The only places where it will not be mandatory is when eating and drinking in a bar/restaurant (although you have to put the mask on when going to the loo) and sunbathing on the beach (but you have to put one on if you stroll up to a chiringuito (beach bar) or when doing sports.

This comes after the number of new cases per day have risen from less than 200 up to the 400 mark. Deaths still remain low (last figures were 12 in one week) but the epidemiologist in charge of all this says the spikes are "worrying" although he insists the tracking and confinement of new outbreaks is far better than it has ever been.

Areas in Catalonia most affected are rural areas with large immigrant farm workers, the Balearic islands show a much lower rate but are concerned that people seem to think it's all over and are being very lackadaisical on the wearing of masks. They were at the forefront of the "safe tourism" scheme and don't want to put that in jeopardy although one of the islands, Ibiza, is blaming the increase on parties and social gatherings above the permitted numbers. In Murcia, some guy from Bolivia who arrived in Madrid by plane and then onward to Murcia is being blamed as a super spreader but one wonders how that could have happened given the temperature controls in place at the airports. Good to see the tracking system appears to be working as they traced him very quickly. Extremadura is another region which has just announced compulsory wearing of masks at all times even with the safety distance and it says the police are hunting for a "super spreader" who has infected 20 people. A police spokesman said a "search and capture" order had been issued for him.

Not compulsory wearing of them in my area except when going into shops or when entering a bar or restaurant. or where the 1.5m distance can't be guaranteed. There was one case (could just be hearsay) of a group of Brit visitors who refused to wear a mask, demanded a menu in a restaurant (menus are now by chalk board or TV screen only) and kicked up a ruckus when told they couldn't enter a supermarket without one. Could just be social media ranting, though, as I haven't seen that.

We still need to book appointments to go to the bank, the town hall, car showrooms and several other places. Also pre booked appointments at ladies hairdressers but, for some reason, not men's barbers where they just put chairs outside (more than 1.5 m apart) to sit and wait (with facemasks on).

We went to a place called Sax over the weekend which is halfway up one of the mountains and has some interesting old Moors and Christian buildings plus a large shopping centre (to keep the missus happy).
The sign outside the pharmacy showed 46C and it was like stepping into an oven so we didn't stay long as the face masks were impossible, Came back down to Elche where it hit 42C in the early afternoon. It was a pleasure to get back home where it was just a modest 34C. That was, seemingly, a spike of N African weather hitting us (and covered my car and patio with Saharan dust) and we are now back to a balmy 30C.

Thankfully we are allowed to use our swimming pools but with a maximum capacity of 75% (at 4 sq m per person) and having all the areas around disinfected with a bleach mixture three times a day. No communal sunbeds allowed but no hassle to take your own.

Latest reports show 15 significant spikes in various locations throughout Spain which is up from 11 just two days ago (around 40 odd asymptomatic spikes affecting less than 3 people). A Red Cross refugee centre in Malaga had 83 people tested positive,
 
And according to their figures, TMC's medical network has 626 covid-19 patients in ICU out of more than 1300 total patients in ICU with over 2200 ICU beds, so less than half of ICU patients have a SARS-CoV-2 infection. It is unclear if they are following the current CDC guide of lumping all the "flu like symptom" and "pneumonia" patients, regardless of test results, into the accounting for covid-19. Planning for second stage shows 17% of occupied beds will be "covid-19" patients, not 17% of capacity, so thanks for the answer to that question.
No, it looks like 17% of capacity.

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"On July 9, the state reported 11,296 available staffed hospital beds, including 953 available staffed ICU beds statewide. COVID-19 patients currently occupy 16.7% of total hospital beds. In late April, Abbott ordered hospitals to reserve 15% of beds for COVID-19 patients.

According to DSHS, these numbers do not include beds at psychiatric hospitals or other psychiatric facilities. They do include psychiatric and pediatric beds at general hospitals, and pediatric beds at children’s hospitals."


17% of all beds occupied would be more covid-19 patients than they are claiming they have.
Greg Abbott, Governor of Texas, Republican, and very much a Trump supporter, is obviously lying about this. You just haven't yet been able to give a reason why he would.
 
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I see some geezer is predicting pure hell in Texas, over 100 deaths alone in that state yesterday. No doubt the virus denier will attempt to construe my post as embellishing.
 
That was, seemingly, a spike of N African weather hitting us (and covered my car and patio with Saharan dust) and we are now back to a balmy 30C.

Thanks for the frequent updates.

On another tack, it is 9 Celsius where I am and I am in a tee shirt. It was 30 Celsius a couple of weeks ago and I thought I was in the second circle of Hell. It's the word balmy that gets me as if such temperatures are pleasant.

Then again, I have always been an ice gnome.
 
Spikes in certain areas in Spain is causing concern. The regions of Catalonia and the Balearics have now introduced compulsory mask wearing in all public places, even outdoors when the distance rules can be maintained. Murcia is considering doing the same. The only places where it will not be mandatory is when eating and drinking in a bar/restaurant (although you have to put the mask on when going to the loo) and sunbathing on the beach (but you have to put one on if you stroll up to a chiringuito (beach bar) or when doing sports.

...

Latest reports show 15 significant spikes in various locations throughout Spain which is up from 11 just two days ago (around 40 odd asymptomatic spikes affecting less than 3 people). A Red Cross refugee centre in Malaga had 83 people tested positive,

The best way to lie is to use hand picked statistics to your personal favor.

Tell us... what is the definition of a Spanish "location?" How large are they? How many of those "locations" does Spain have? By area, does Spain have 20, 100, 500,000, or 50,000,000 "locations?"
 

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