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That's a point, given the number of COVID-19 threads on here we could set up an ARRSE SAGE group. Obviously we'd have to use a different name to avoid confusion.

The ARRSE Advisory Committee on Health Emergencies sounds good.
 

4(T)

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We enter Phase 2 of the return to a new normality (yep, the official gov words, not mine) tomorrow in this area of Spain. Another 2 deaths and 464 new cases yesterday which brings the number of deaths to 39 in the last week.
We have no hospitalised patients with CV-19 in our health area and just one death (a chap from Madrid) in the last week.

Phase 2 means shopping malls can open but with only 40% of the listed number of customers (including staff) and no seating or children areas allowed to open. Restaurants and bars can open inside with 2m distance between tables, no bar service and only single sachets of sauces etc (Spanish won't like that as they binned the EU idea of getting rid of olive oil bottles some years ago).
No restrictions on exercise periods, going for walks and so on except for the over 70s who are still restricted to 10 to 12 noon and 7 to 8pm in the evening although they can go to a bar or restaurant at any time.

We can have up to 15 in our homes or at a restaurant but with a 2m distance from those not in the same households.

We still have to wear face masks everywhere if the 2m rule can't be followed and at all times in shops (unless you have a note from your doctors about respiratory probs or anxiety etc when a face shield can be worn).
Still only allowed to travel in our own province. Not allowed to go to another province until 21st June.

Tourists from about 3 or 4 low risk countries may be allowed in from June 15th (not UK) but other tourists from 1st July when those living in Spain will be allowed to travel between regions.

Not many people respecting the exercise times which are in place for all towns with a population of more than 10,000 and are going out when they feel like it. They are keeping their distance, though, and the beaches have been opened since yesterday and people are keeping a long way from each other.

Quite a lot of bars in our main street have closed for good along with some of the shops and probably won't open ever again. Rents and taxes probably did for them which is a shame. Two particularly good restaurants have gone forever as they had no outside terraces which they could open.

The similar to furloughing system stops at the end of June but they have introduce a minimum income which will guarantee people not earning about 500 euro a week. The furloughing system provided 70% of their pay (same as the unemployment benefit paid for 6 months) and many of the bigger firms topped it up to 100%.

Will be interesting to see how many of the designer stores at the malls reopen as they were pretty under used anyway (Prada, Tommy Hilifiger, Pierre Cardin and so on) but Primark (yes, we have one here) have already put up queue barriers. Zara will no doubt survive but not sure of places like Masssimo Dutti which we only used when they had big sales on.

Swimming pools can open next week but the restrictions on numbers and the cleaning regime may make it impossible for them to do so. Indoor sports centres and gyms can open but everything has to be disinfected between users and the indoor showers can't be used until the next phase in a fortnight time. Also restricted to 30% of users.

The mad, mad, mad (etc) world continues.


Probably as with a lot of Spanish property owners, I'm wondering if I still have a property to visit - or if its been robbed/ vandalised/ squatted.

Perhaps Spain should allow Brit property owners to visit without restriction, in an effort to restart the local economies? Most of these expat properties are detached, or in such quiet areas that there'd be effectively zero chance of C19 transmission.

I'm only a few km inland from peak tourist area of Benidorm/Altea, yet even pre-C19 my urbanisation and the local town are so quiet around lunchtime/siesta that it resembles "28 Days later" with sunshine.


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He is clearly extremely eminent in neuroscience.

However, I wonder if he is having an "out of speciality/expertise" moment. These are very common in science when renowned scientists get involved outside their area of expertise - Fred Hoyle, Linus Pauling, Einstein, Darwin, Lord Kelvin etc.

The article raises a few red flags.

Invoking Feynman for no apparent reason is merely an appeal to authority. Despite being one of the greatest physicists ever, his two autobiographies contain nothing on any medical subjects.

Suggesting there is some sort of "immunological dark matter" is just a wild stab in the dark at saying "no idea". Cosmologists know that dark matter is very likely to be real because regions of "nothing" exert demonstrable gravity, for which some form of matter is the only viable cause.

I think the differences between Britain and Germany are far more likely to be down to differences in recording and reporting, different health care structures, centralised versus regional health authorities and a host of other reasons. I will leave out deliberate under-reporting as I rather like Germans and Germany.

The notion that the Boxheads are protected by "immunological dark matter" is bullshit as they are no different to their neighbours. Germans are not a different species to French, Belgians or Italians. Nor is the German population any more geographically dispersed than its neighbours (and certainly not France).
To be fair to the pointy head, he does say it's counterintuitive.
 
Well, that's Neil Ferguson's weekend buggered.

'New coronavirus guidelines have made it illegal to have sex in your own home with a person from another household from today.

'The government is set to lay out the new regulations this morning, which will ban people from socialising indoors with a person from outside your household bubble. The new regulation reads: ‘No person may participate in a gathering which takes place in a public or private place indoors, and consists of two or more persons.’


Read more: Sex with someone you don't live with is illegal from today
 
Another window-related fatality in Russia; open windows are definitely dangerous to medical staff's health.

'A top Russian police forensic expert suffering from coronavirus fell to her death from a fifth floor hospital window in Moscow.

'Lt Col Natalya Shcherbakova, 45, was put on a life support machine but later died, say police sources. Her death from 'multiple traumas' follows two senior female Russian doctors sustaining fatal injuries after falling from hospital windows.'



 
Well, that's Neil Ferguson's weekend buggered.

'New coronavirus guidelines have made it illegal to have sex in your own home with a person from another household from today.

'The government is set to lay out the new regulations this morning, which will ban people from socialising indoors with a person from outside your household bubble. The new regulation reads: ‘No person may participate in a gathering which takes place in a public or private place indoors, and consists of two or more persons.’


Read more: Sex with someone you don't live with is illegal from today
The religious lobby will be pleased.
 
Probably as with a lot of Spanish property owners, I'm wondering if I still have a property to visit - or if its been robbed/ vandalised/ squatted.

Perhaps Spain should allow Brit property owners to visit without restriction, in an effort to restart the local economies? Most of these expat properties are detached, or in such quiet areas that there'd be effectively zero chance of C19 transmission.

I'm only a few km inland from peak tourist area of Benidorm/Altea, yet even pre-C19 my urbanisation and the local town are so quiet around lunchtime/siesta that it resembles "28 Days later" with sunshine.


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Nice area. We often go up to Altea for a break, much nicer than Benidorm but a shame about the stony beaches.
The police have upped the number of patrols around here (bout an hour south of you) whilst there have been so many empty places. Not heard of any break ins or squatting.

And Spain showed zero deaths from CV yesterday with just 71 new cases. Could be bit skew whiffed with it being a weekend but something to celebrate. The Min of Transport said today that the times of phases could be brought forward and travel allowed through the regions as early as next week which, if UK figures keep going down, could bring forward the date of international travel.
They are going to be extremely careful, though, as a study showed the virus was spread mainly by second home owners from Madrid going to other regions which is something they want to avoid.

Places like Madrid and Barcelona are still in the first phase of relaxation so have a bit longer to go.
Hope the figures remain so low (35 deaths in the last week and none yesterday as I said) and you may be able to visit fairly soon (if anyone wants to travel at the moment, of course).
 
I know! I'm absolutely sure that this will put an end to all illicit fornication. After all, as soon as you make something illegal everyone stops doing it straight away.

Now if only we could ban all road accidents, that would be another major problem sorted.
Maybe we could ban all alcohol, errm...
 
The reasons why other scientists dismiss the lab origin as unlikely is that it piles numerous unlikely events on top of one another, making it highly improbable.

I'm not sure why it's so unlikely. 'Crossbreeding' viruses is a Thing, and at least one group of boffins (including some from the Wuhan lab) have been investigating how the SARS-Cov type could become infective to humans. I'd be very surprised if someone somewhere hadn't been arrsing around 'in vitro' to see if they could make a bat virus infect the cells of a different organism (maybe even human ones).

Another reason that scientists might be keen to dismiss the lab origin, is that they don't fancy being pursued by a howling mob carrying torches and pitchforks - whether that's an actual mob, or 'just' the press...


 
I'm not sure why it's so unlikely. 'Crossbreeding' viruses is a Thing, and at least one group of boffins (including some from the Wuhan lab) have been investigating how the SARS-Cov type could become infective to humans. I'd be very surprised if someone somewhere hadn't been arrsing around 'in vitro' to see if they could make a bat virus infect the cells of a different organism (maybe even human ones).

Another reason that scientists might be keen to dismiss the lab origin, is that they don't fancy being pursued by a howling mob carrying torches and pitchforks - whether that's an actual mob, or 'just' the press...


The local peasantry in Wuhan were already out with the torches in pitchforks when the virus lab was originally opened, as they were concerned that the scientists would meddle with things that man was not meant to know.
 
The local peasantry in Wuhan were already out with the torches in pitchforks when the virus lab was originally opened, as they were concerned that the scientists would meddle with things that man was not meant to know.

They kinda had a point, though. If bat viruses had been left in the arse end of nowhere... rather than being 'harvested' for research... at a lab in a crowded city of 11,000,000 people, that also happens to be a major transport hub...
 
They kinda had a point, though. If bat viruses had been left in the arse end of nowhere... rather than being 'harvested' for research... at a lab in a crowded city of 11,000,000 people, that also happens to be a major transport hub...
The equivalent lab in Canada ended up in Winnipeg instead of Toronto because of opposition to it in Toronto.
 

TamH70

MIA
I'm not sure why it's so unlikely. 'Crossbreeding' viruses is a Thing, and at least one group of boffins (including some from the Wuhan lab) have been investigating how the SARS-Cov type could become infective to humans. I'd be very surprised if someone somewhere hadn't been arrsing around 'in vitro' to see if they could make a bat virus infect the cells of a different organism (maybe even human ones).

Another reason that scientists might be keen to dismiss the lab origin, is that they don't fancy being pursued by a howling mob carrying torches and pitchforks - whether that's an actual mob, or 'just' the press...


Crossbreeding viruses (notice lack of quote marks, as it's deliberate), otherwise known as making chimaera viruses, has been a Thing since at least the Seventies. Our Russian friends were up to that shit to beyond the roots of their hair because their government told their biowarfare scientists that we in the West were doing so. I have no doubt at all whatsoever that since the fall of the Wall, everyone and their mothers have been buying, stealing, suborning or flat out recruiting that capability and personnel.

Including the Chinese.
 

Anonymous Yank

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The equivalent lab in Canada ended up in Winnipeg instead of Toronto because of opposition to it in Toronto.
But where did Winnipeg end up?
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Helloooooo Winnipeg!

This may well be the only time Canada is interesting...


...or warm.
 

3ToedSloth

Old-Salt
Well, that's Neil Ferguson's weekend buggered.

'New coronavirus guidelines have made it illegal to have sex in your own home with a person from another household from today.

'The government is set to lay out the new regulations this morning, which will ban people from socialising indoors with a person from outside your household bubble. The new regulation reads: ‘No person may participate in a gathering which takes place in a public or private place indoors, and consists of two or more persons.’


Read more: Sex with someone you don't live with is illegal from today
Surely, it's simply a matter of using the correct PPE?

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Anonymous Yank

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So, she's got an arse twice the size of Greenland; I'm not sure I'd boast about that.
Are you saying you'll still need something longer than the usual 2x4 to survive Toronto even though it is much tighter than Winnipeg?
 

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