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U.K. policy is/was herd immunity... ie give it to as many people as possible
It's also the Irish Government's strategy. They just haven't had the balls to say it in so many words.
 
It makes me happy that there are people out there who don't realise this simple truth.

It's like watching 'Simple Jack 2 - Double Retard'.

Then there's Tig...
I don't know who Tig is, nor does it matter.

The root article in that tweet was by some bloke called Haque and was written three weeks ago.

His article is absolutely correct - he excoriates the government's/(Cummings "**** the elderly") pathetic "herd immunity" plan.

Fortunately the grown-ups and scientifically literate seem to have taken control and that bollox plan was binned pretty sharpish.
 
My sympathies for the businesses and the staff affected should they go under. However, it's as simple as just 'saving the NHS'. It's preventing the NHS from becoming so overwhelmed that where hospitals have to declare Critical Incidents and are forced to ration lifesaving services and ending up with wartime triage where older patients are classed as 'un-saveable' even when they enter the hospital thus freeing up scant resources for the younger and fitter patients.
Mind if I ask If you have worked in the public sector for long?

Who pays for the NHS?

YM
 
So much for the NHS commitment to whistle blowers:


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Dr Rinesh Parmar, chairman of the Doctors’ Association UK, said their inbox was filling up with emails from people concerned about the issue but “being told they are going to lose their job if they post about it on social media”.
He said: “They raise concerns internally and nothing happens. It feels like those concerns land on deaf ears. They then take to social media and get told their social media is being monitored and they are going to lose their jobs.
“At a time when we need every single doctor on the front line, doing what they can, it is just not helpful for people to be afraid.”
The authorities had been expected to update PPE guidance over the weekend, but they were flooded with more than 1,000 responses to a draft sent out to professional bodies. The Times understands Public Health England expects to release a new version today. Professor Martin Marshall, chairman of the Royal College of General Practitioners, said the draft had been “vague” on exactly when GPs should wear protective equipment.”


Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-medics-thre
Just spent the afternoon in hospital, staff report no shortage of PPE for staff that actually need it.
masks, aprons, gloves, wipes plentiful.
 
An interesting bit of research from Germany; apparently not much need to blot, bang, rub objects or surfaces that have been in contact with the afflicted.

If proven true, this could reduce the need for lock-down so long as people shield themselves from respiratory transmission:


The crowd that produced this paper LINK seem to agree. The graph below is from the paper and shows (if I follow correctly) their estimate for who infects people and by what route. They reckon the contribution from the environment (light green) that is infection from surfaces is realtively small.

 
The crowd that produced this paper LINK seem to agree. The graph below is from the paper and shows (if I follow correctly) their estimate for who infects people and by what route. They reckon the contribution from the environment (light green) that is infection from surfaces is realtively small.

But interestingly they reckon infection from the environment will be roughly twice as common as infection from people who have the virus but no symptoms. If they're right that would be an argument in favour of Sweden's approach. This could be an interesting week in terms of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths compared to other Nordic countries that are implementing similar measures to us, Italy etc.
 

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Just spent the afternoon in hospital, staff report no shortage of PPE for staff that actually need it.
masks, aprons, gloves, wipes plentiful.
Where's that Phot ?
 

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I don't know who Tig is, nor does it matter.

The root article in that tweet was by some bloke called Haque and was written three weeks ago.

His article is absolutely correct - he excoriates the government's/(Cummings "**** the elderly") pathetic "herd immunity" plan.

Fortunately the grown-ups and scientifically literate seem to have taken control and that bollox plan was binned pretty sharpish.
I was explaining to my open-mouthed neighbour ( quote I get all my news from Twitter; I just look at what's trending unquote) that I was trained in Digital Media at Govt expense some while ago....but I only look at Twitter occasionally these days.

Unforts it is absolutely true that a lot of the idler journos use it as Instaquote.

( It was certainly true that if I put a Tiny URL link to one of our Press Releases on Twitter, then I was guaranteed a call back.)

I have long since paid my debt to society ....nobody pays me to watch the lunatics barking at each other these days, life is much the better for it.

Bedlam Hospital was more humane.

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Mind if I ask If you have worked in the public sector for long?

Who pays for the NHS?

YM
I've worked in and out of the public sector (national and local govt, and public services) over the past 15 years - I'm a freelance IT consultant. Prior to that, 25 years in the private sector. Mostly retail.

Not sure about the point of your 2nd question. We all do. Just as we all pay for the armed forces, state pensions, education.

Maybe you meant to ask who generates the wealth that enables us to pay for it all.
 
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In more cheerful news the Pentagon orders 100,000 body bags in anticipation of the increasing death rate....for civilians.

 
I don't really think it is the fault of the government that so few NHS staff were tested recently when I consider the NHS database actually had people being refused at one site and another site refusing to test NHS people who were not on the list.
It shouldn't be difficult to turn up anywhere with NHS Id & get tested FFS!
 
It shouldn't be difficult to turn up anywhere with NHS Id & get tested FFS!
I just heard someone on the news explain the problem with getting the materials to do testing as being like shopping at the grocery store. Normally you go there and there's no problem getting what you need. Once the panic hit though, a few knobs got to the store first and cleaned out all the toilet paper and pasta and there's none left for you. That's what happened to all the chemicals used for testing.
 
And in NI, the authoritires already digging away if you forigve th pun...in case any of their staff get taken ill in the coming weeks in Co. Antrim.


Least it isnt one mass grave (unlike dubious and nasty dictators, gangsters have excelled at over the centuries) whcih brings me to another point.

Remember the 1995 Hollywood film Outbreak (Dustin Hoffman/Morgan Freeman/Kevin Spacey/Rene Russo/Cuba Gooding J/Donald Sutherland0....well after the White House Chief Of Staff (JT Walsh) makes his imposing speech on the politicians and Joint Chiefs, where he throws photos of the towns deceased while umming and arghing about dropping napalm to wupe out motaba virus.....shows the NBC clad troops zipping up the body bags. Chucking them onto trucks with Humvee escort (not unlike what seen in italy and now Spain) shove the bags in deserted farm hut and whoosh set fire.

I doubt what Hollywood put would be morally or ethically acceptable with govenments in this situation but could there be a situ where a mass bonfire or hole in the ground might be thought of (maybe in some dictatorships)

Cheers
 

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