MERS Coronavirus warning

Niamac

GCM
If you look at a graph that is posted on a log scale you will get a better idea of when things start to change. I'll look one up a bit later and post it.
The graphs I am using are logarithmic on both scales;
1585686943911.png

The deaths graph is merely to see if there is a significant change to the normal death rate of 10,000 a week. Yhen we will be able to see if the CoV19 deaths are seriously additional or merely replacing old age deaths from other causes. Inconclusive at present.
 
6gggg
One thing odd that I noted about UK data is that unlike other many other countries the UK isn't reporting many recoveries. I don't know whether that is due to problems with the data source the web site uses, or whether the UK has more conservative criteria for "recovery" than other countries and just isn't classifying people as recovered until they meet some additional criteria. Several other countries are similarly showing few recoveries.

Another inconsistency between countries is the "serious critical" data column. Some countries such as the US, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands are showing thousands of people in "serious critical" category, but Switzerland, the UK, Canada, Australia, Ireland, and other are showing relatively few. I suspect that this may be a difference in how cases are classified or reported, rather than differences in medical condition. If there is a difference in medical condition, then that raises some very curious questions about why.

My guess is this has only been a crisis in the UK for about two or three weeks, which might be too short a timeframe to count anyone as fully recovered.
There is/was a count for recoveries on the John Hopkins dashboard when the known cases in the UK were still in the two-digits.

Edit: The Johns Hopkins dashboard says it's still 135.

 
Must reflect those that a doctor or 111 have said have it but are still in situ, those in hospital and those in Hospital intensive care.

Few people on this site have it - I wonder how they are recorded in the stats unless you have seen or communicated with a Doctor ? maybe @Simmerit can answer that


Archie
I have the Covid-19 Symptom tracker
6gggg



My guess is this has only been a crisis in the UK for about two or three weeks, which might be too short a timeframe to count anyone as fully recovered.
There is/was a count for recoveries on the John Hopkins dashboard when the known cases in the UK were still in the two-digits.

Edit: The Johns Hopkins dashboard says it's still 135.

By my highly scientific method of adding the Hubei deathtoll to the Hubei recovered and counting back to where that matched the number of new cases I reckoned that it was about 21 days lag minimum.
 
Must reflect those that a doctor or 111 have said have it but are still in situ, those in hospital and those in Hospital intensive care.

Few people on this site have it - I wonder how they are recorded in the stats unless you have seen or communicated with a Doctor ? maybe @Simmerit can answer that


Archie
I suspect they aren’t in the stats. I’m not but then again, I’ve not been tested so it’s speculation on my part. That said, I’ve got it....
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
Useful piece from The Economist on Military Aid to the Civil Power, and it's varying permuatations across the World thus far:

Armies are mobilising against the coronavirus

It is understandable that overwhelmed states want to mobilise their armies for policing, logistics and medicine. But armed forces are designed first and foremost for killing people, rather than issuing fines on street corners or delivering food to supermarkets. And covid-19 will affect military preparedness, both directly and indirectly.

1585691797175.png


Military personnel are typically young and fit—a group that has been better able to shake off the effects of the virus. But they are not immune. Over half of coronavirus cases in New York state are aged 18 to 49. Troops often live in close quarters, increasing the likelihood and pace of transmission.




You will really know that the manure has hit the Vent-Axia if and when Trump calls out the National Guard to patrol the streets of major urban centres in USA....he hasn't forgotten this is an Election year.

US Army Guard units have already been mobilised in various places:

 

WhiskeyTango

Old-Salt
With regards to the UK not publishing recovered rates- its because they wont have them due to the plan of not testing all but critical cases.

My gf was in a bad way, phoned up, went to the quarantine ward and got looked at. Doctor diagnosed her with likely coronavirus but also a bacterial tonsilitus, which he gave her medicine for.

She didn't get tested and can therefore not join the ranks of "officially recovered."
 
With regards to the UK not publishing recovered rates- its because they wont have them due to the plan of not testing all but critical cases.

My gf was in a bad way, phoned up, went to the quarantine ward and got looked at. Doctor diagnosed her with likely coronavirus but also a bacterial tonsilitus, which he gave her medicine for.

She didn't get tested and can therefore not join the ranks of "officially recovered."

Political smoke and mirrors . Bit like China . I’ll be getting my tin foil out now , need a new hat.
 
Political smoke and mirrors . Bit like China . I’ll be getting my tin foil out now , need a new hat.

Saw a post on social media earlier - the post from a guy who given a likely diagnosis of COVID-19 after they x-rayed his lungs. Said he was on oxygen etc. According to the post, the patient was told the NHS tests are around 70 percent accurate and the doctors told him they prefer to use lung x-rays to give probable diagnosis. No reason to doubt the post is inaccurate in that I believe he was a patient (even if he misreported the accuracy of the test), so it seems like even the most serious cases where people end up on oxygen are not always getting tested - so in this instance, he would have been through ICU but won't contribute towards the stats.
 
Last edited:
Saw a post on social media earlier - the post from a guy who given a likely diagnosis of COVID-19 after they x-rayed his lungs. Said he was on oxygen etc. According to the post, the patient was told the NHS tests are around 70 percent accurate and the doctors told him they prefer to use lung x-rays to give probable diagnosis. No reason to doubt the post is inaccurate in that I believe he was a patient (even if he misreported the accuracy of the test), so it seems like even the most serious cases where people end up on oxygen are not always getting tested - so in this instance, he would have been through ICU but won't contribute towards the stats.
ISTR reports that the Chinese Medics fell back on CT scans of lungs as a practical diagnostic measure.
 
In quite sour news, one keen reader picked up and mentioned this on local rag when people were asking why any success cases not coming to light but all the press wanted to tell all were the fatality cases.

fake_news_bergrano_1.jpg
fake_news_bergrano_2.jpg


This going to sound stupid but obviously there is great haste in both Italy and Spain to dispose of the remains because of the sheer number,s but has anyone anywhere else bothered with an autopsy / PM? Or there is no time....its just becoming a conveyor belt (sorry no pun intended re crems) system.

Only reason I ask is that maybe something can be gleamed ...ok the medics, doctors, nurses, ICU specialists, respiratory experts who are treating those,,,can see sadly till the end of some unfortunate souls. But maybe long term, some anatomical examination to complement the frenzied research already to get a vaccine could help?

Or in theory maybe an autopsy could also see what else complications apart from the bleeding obvious of folk having usual long or short term illnesses, conditions, weakend immune system.

At the start its old folk who are vulnerable and susecptible to catch and die, then now you got fit youngish folk come down with no underlying conditions (that could probably kick most of our asses re BFT or CFT) then end up in ICU like the 39 year old fitness lass or someone in their 20s die. Then cases of the 99 year old chap who fully recovered and then some 87 year old.

There is no rhyme nor reason here...maybe an autopsy on say two folk that have passed away like fit young individual compared data to one on an older folk who may have died of corona could shed light....

For the record I am not suggesting creating a Dr Mengele trype medic to experiment or cut up when still breathing (sorry that was WW2 Japanese army medical unit that did that lol).

Cheers
 
Useful piece from The Economist on Military Aid to the Civil Power, and it's varying permuatations across the World thus far:

Armies are mobilising against the coronavirus

It is understandable that overwhelmed states want to mobilise their armies for policing, logistics and medicine. But armed forces are designed first and foremost for killing people, rather than issuing fines on street corners or delivering food to supermarkets. And covid-19 will affect military preparedness, both directly and indirectly.

View attachment 461583

Military personnel are typically young and fit—a group that has been better able to shake off the effects of the virus. But they are not immune. Over half of coronavirus cases in New York state are aged 18 to 49. Troops often live in close quarters, increasing the likelihood and pace of transmission.




You will really know that the manure has hit the Vent-Axia if and when Trump calls out the National Guard to patrol the streets of major urban centres in USA....he hasn't forgotten this is an Election year.

US Army Guard units have already been mobilised in various places:

Hmm mate of mine who left the USAF after several years , stationed here his last tour USAFE...to get married and settle down here, is waiting for call back. . COuple of his former squadron buddies who also left volunteered to re enlist to help out stateside.

Speaking of which under the 'special agreement' can USAFE assets say from likes of Alconbury, Croughton Firford, Feltwell, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, etc can assist us in worst case scenario?? If Boris chats to POTUS, or if POTUS offers?? As medics from the 48th Med Group work close hand in hand with East Anglian Ambulance and NHS hospitals in reigon such as Addenbrookes, (their large GMC paramedic vehicles are visitors) West Suffolk et Even secondments etc...so its not like they are not experienced in around our hospitals.

Cheers
 
Hmm mate of mine who left the USAF after several years , stationed here his last tour USAFE...to get married and settle down here, is waiting for call back. . COuple of his former squadron buddies who also left volunteered to re enlist to help out stateside.

Speaking of which under the 'special agreement' can USAFE assets say from likes of Alconbury, Croughton Firford, Feltwell, Lakenheath, Mildenhall, etc can assist us in worst case scenario?? If Boris chats to POTUS, or if POTUS offers?? As medics from the 48th Med Group work close hand in hand with East Anglian Ambulance and NHS hospitals in reigon such as Addenbrookes, (their large GMC paramedic vehicles are visitors) West Suffolk et Even secondments etc...so its not like they are not experienced in around our hospitals.

Cheers

If asked the US Military could help with humanitarian operations in the host country.

 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
In quite sour news, one keen reader picked up and mentioned this on local rag when people were asking why any success cases not coming to light but all the press wanted to tell all were the fatality cases.

View attachment 461587View attachment 461588

This going to sound stupid but obviously there is great haste in both Italy and Spain to dispose of the remains because of the sheer number,s but has anyone anywhere else bothered with an autopsy / PM? Or there is no time....its just becoming a conveyor belt (sorry no pun intended re crems) system.

Only reason I ask is that maybe something can be gleamed ...ok the medics, doctors, nurses, ICU specialists, respiratory experts who are treating those,,,can see sadly till the end of some unfortunate souls. But maybe long term, some anatomical examination to complement the frenzied research already to get a vaccine could help?

Or in theory maybe an autopsy could also see what else complications apart from the bleeding obvious of folk having usual long or short term illnesses, conditions, weakend immune system.

At the start its old folk who are vulnerable and susecptible to catch and die, then now you got fit youngish folk come down with no underlying conditions (that could probably kick most of our asses re BFT or CFT) then end up in ICU like the 39 year old fitness lass or someone in their 20s die. Then cases of the 99 year old chap who fully recovered and then some 87 year old.

There is no rhyme nor reason here...maybe an autopsy on say two folk that have passed away like fit young individual compared data to one on an older folk who may have died of corona could shed light....

For the record I am not suggesting creating a Dr Mengele trype medic to experiment or cut up when still breathing (sorry that was WW2 Japanese army medical unit that did that lol).

Cheers
You mentioned as young as 20, here's a kicker, no underlying problems apparently:-
 
Top