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That poster should be outside every retail and public building, transport hub, etc. Show people the data, let them choose accordingly.
 
How would wild deer pick up the virus other than Jean Claude being lonely Quebec Friday night?
Speculation on CNN on how deer can catch the virus but obviously they want to scare people too. Covid seems to be bad news for Snow Leopards though
Coronavirus spreads in deer and other animals. Scientists worry about what that means for people

Wild deer contract coronavirus - The Wildlife Society
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/one_health/downloads/qa-covid-white-tailed-deer-study.pdf
 
Latest saffer stats
More than 11,500 Covid-19 cases recorded in 24 hours as infections continue to spike
There were 8,561 new cases recorded on Wednesday — nearly 3,000 fewer than on Thursday.
 
How would wild deer pick up the virus other than Jean Claude being lonely on a Quebec Friday night?
The only explanation that I've been able to think of is people passing it to domestic or farmed animals who then in turn pass it on to deer. An example would be people giving it to farmed mink (a known problem) and then deer picking it up when grazing around the mink cages at night.
 
The only explanation that I've been able to think of is people passing it to domestic or farmed animals who then in turn pass it on to deer. An example would be people giving it to farmed mink (a known problem) and then deer picking it up when grazing around the mink cages at night.
It's Santa. It's all coming out now. He's having relations with anything and everything.
"Doh! A deer....a female.. this one. Next!"
 
Latest saffer stats
More than 11,500 Covid-19 cases recorded in 24 hours as infections continue to spike
There were 8,561 new cases recorded on Wednesday — nearly 3,000 fewer than on Thursday.

How many of them hospital admissions with serious symptoms?
 
How many of them hospital admissions with serious symptoms?
The more important question is "who is getting infected?" Is this a big outbreak in certain specific settings, or is this across the population?

There was a major outbreak of gamma in the Yukon last year. That had people going "gamma? WTF?", but it was all due to specific people meeting in specific circumstances and spreading an infection that way, with it all tracing back to a single individual who happened to have had gamma. Once that outbreak died down gamma faded into the background.

So far as the effects on hospital admissions go, this might be too soon to tell. You would have to have significant numbers of people infected for long enough to develop serious symptoms to in turn get enough people hospitalized to know what is happening.

I don't know enough about what is going on South Africa to jump to any conclusions about omicron. The real question is going to be how omicron does over the long haul and not enough time has passed for that.
 
How many of them hospital admissions with serious symptoms?
The NICD also reported a spike in new hospital admissions in the past 24 hours, with 274 people admitted (up from 135 on Wednesday). There are 2,904 people being treated in hospital for Covid-19 related complications.

The NICD said that, according to health department data, there were 44 new Covid-19 related deaths in the past day.
 
Of the 6 cases of Omicron reported in Glasgow , it has need reported that a percentage of them have no travel history. So this variant is already in the community.


By the time any new variant is spotted it's already loose and around the world. The only ways to stop it is mandatory 14 day quarantine's which are enforced. Off the plane, into hotel, door locked behind you, or the total halting of air travel.

Neither of those are going to happen.

The problem with CV19 is that it has a decent incubation time, and there's a 2-3 days before symptoms show where you are infectious. That's the killer here as people who would, and will, act responsibly when they know they're infectious don't actually know they've got it.
Then you get those who don't act correctly.

Both of those are what's driving the spread.

Equally, IIRC, in the UK only 10% of positive PCR tests are sequenced for what type of virus you have. So of the 45,000 odd cases that were reported yesterday, only 4,500 were checked. Six came back as Omicron.
Thus its clear that any new variant will be in the population with some certainty in very short order.
 
That poster should be outside every retail and public building, transport hub, etc. Show people the data, let them choose accordingly.

I always said that not wearing a mask should be portrayed as socially irresponsible and equivalent to drink driving and carry the same stigma.

But the official line has always been asking nicely. Official actions have been 'do whatever the hell you want.'
 
Here is the COVID-19 summary for Thursday.
Coronavirus: What's happening in Canada and around the world on Thursday

In Germany, unvaccinated people will not be allowed in non-essential stores, restaurants, entertainment venues, and the like. There were 73,209 new cases and 388 deaths. Merkel said the situation in Germany was very serious. The Germans plan on giving another 30 million jabs by the end of the year, and they will use dentists and pharmacists to help get it done. Vaccination will be mandatory for health care workers as soon as February. Currently 68.7 per cent of the German population are vaccinated.
In Europe, unvaccinated people across Germany will soon be excluded from non-essential stores, restaurants and sports and cultural venues, Chancellor Angela Merkel announced Thursday, and parliament will consider a general vaccine mandate as part of efforts to curb coronavirus infections.

Merkel announced the measures after a meeting with federal and state leaders, as the nation again topped 70,000 newly confirmed cases in a 24-hour period. She said the steps were necessary to address concerns that hospitals could become overloaded with patients suffering from COVID-19 infections, which are much more likely to be serious in people who have not been vaccinated.

Hong Kong will start using a new phone app vaccine passport that will be mandatory for residents travelling from Hong Kong to mainland China.
In Asia, Hong Kong authorities will launch a new "health code" mobile phone app next week that travellers to mainland China would be required to use. Unlike China's app, Hong Kong's will not track a user's movement, the government said. Only Hong Kong residents who plan to cross the border are required to use the app, which will be available starting Dec. 10.

Zimbabwe have found their first case of the omicron variant.
In Africa, the omicron variant has been detected in Zimbabwe, according to Vice-President Constantino Chiwenga who is also the health minister, making it the fifth African country to report the variant's presence after Botswana, South Africa, Ghana and Nigeria.

Foreigners travelling to the US by air will have to get a test within 24 hours of departure instead of 72 hours as previously. Masks will continue to remain mandatory.
Canadians, other foreigners will need COVID-19 test a day before flights to U.S.
The United States is making it mandatory next week for Canadians and other foreign visitors who arrive by air to get a COVID-19 test within 24 hours of their departure, regardless of their vaccination status, as part of a pandemic battle plan for the winter months.

The US reported their second case of omicron, this one in Minnesota. Indications are that he got it in New York just before Thanksgiving, and that the variant is spreading in the community in New York.
U.S. health officials confirmed a second case of the variant on Thursday in Minnesota. It involved a vaccinated man who had attended an anime convention just before Thanksgiving in New York City that drew an estimated 50,000 people. That would suggest the variant has begun to spread within the U.S.

In Canada, the province of Ontario announced that people age 50 and up will be eligible for booster shots beginning 6 months after their second jab.
COVID-19 boosters to open to Ontarians 50+ as of Dec. 13, province reports 959 new cases
In a news release issued Thursday afternoon, the province said that starting on Dec. 13 at 8 a.m. ET, people aged 50 and older will be able to schedule their booster through the COVID-19 vaccination portal, by calling the provincial vaccine contact centre, through Indigenous-led vaccination clinics, and in select pharmacies and primary care settings.

Canada also reported additional cases of omicron, most of which appear to be connected with travel to Africa.
Durham Region Health Department announced Thursday it has its first case of a person who has tested positive for the omicron variant.
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One case of the Omicron variant was also identified in Halton Region Thursday.
 
I will make the general observation that in my opinion the countries that aren't reporting cases of omicron are probably countries that aren't looking very hard for it. It has undoubtedly spread much more widely than is currently reported.
 
I will make the general observation that in my opinion the countries that aren't reporting cases of omicron are probably countries that aren't looking very hard for it. It has undoubtedly spread much more widely than is currently reported.
I wonder also, assuming that there are reports of it giving mild or almost no symptoms, if it isn't already firmly established in the community in at least those countries reporting a small number of cases.
 
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I wonder also, assuming that there are reports of it giving mild or almost no symptoms, if it isn't already firmly established in the community in at least those countries reporting a small number of cases.
See @CaptainRidiculous 's post above about a spike in hospital admissions in South Africa.

Here's more.

South African province where omicron first found sees huge spike in hospitalisations, 10% of them toddlers
Covid: South Africa new cases surge as Omicron spreads

They are also seeing more admissions of younger age groups than was the case with previous variants, including under 2 and 28 to 38.

There is also a lot of talk about "mild symptoms". But I don't think you end up in hospital if you have mild symptoms, unless they are defining "mild" as "not being on a ventilator".

Taking all this together, they might be getting more hospitalizations of people in their 20s and 30s who aren't going on to develop the most severe symptoms. But these may have been people who if they had alpha or delta may not have been in hospital at all.

The BBC story says that it takes 3 or 4 weeks before someone is sick enough to go to hospital in South Africa, so we aren't seeing the full impact yet.

The BBC story also mentions that while vaccines still seem to be working fairly well against omicron, people who were not vaccinated but had a previous infection with a different variant are getting omicron.
"Previous infection used to protect against Delta but now with Omicron that doesn't seem to be the case," said Anne von Gottberg, microbiologist at NICD.
The full picture in South Africa will not become clear until "people get so sick that they need to go to hospital" which is generally "three, four weeks later," says Prof Salim Abdool Karim of the Africa Task Force for Coronavirus.
"But the feedback we're getting from the ground is that there's really no red flags - we're not seeing anything dramatically different, what we're seeing is what we are used to," he told the BBC's Newsday programme.

There is a lot of contradictory information coming out, and at this stage I think that all we can really say is that we really don't know yet.
 
See @CaptainRidiculous 's post above about a spike in hospital admissions in South Africa.

Here's more.

South African province where omicron first found sees huge spike in hospitalisations, 10% of them toddlers
Covid: South Africa new cases surge as Omicron spreads

They are also seeing more admissions of younger age groups than was the case with previous variants, including under 2 and 28 to 38.

There is also a lot of talk about "mild symptoms". But I don't think you end up in hospital if you have mild symptoms, unless they are defining "mild" as "not being on a ventilator".

Taking all this together, they might be getting more hospitalizations of people in their 20s and 30s who aren't going on to develop the most severe symptoms. But these may have been people who if they had alpha or delta may not have been in hospital at all.

The BBC story says that it takes 3 or 4 weeks before someone is sick enough to go to hospital in South Africa, so we aren't seeing the full impact yet.

The BBC story also mentions that while vaccines still seem to be working fairly well against omicron, people who were not vaccinated but had a previous infection with a different variant are getting omicron.


There is a lot of contradictory information coming out, and at this stage I think that all we can really say is that we really don't know yet.
Yes, agreed. It occurs to me that the reports of mild symptoms may actually apply only to those who have been vaccinated.
As you say, it is too early to draw firm conclusions.
 
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