MERS Coronavirus warning

That's why I was wondering can the Irish government cancel Freedom of Movement for Italian nationals etc, in circumstances like this.
No they can't.

They can screen everyone or screen no one. Ities to the right everyone else to the left would have them massively fined by the EU quicker than they could say 'but oi thought you loved oirland?'
 
No they can't.

They can screen everyone or screen no one. Ities to the right everyone else to the left would have them massively fined by the EU quicker than they could say 'but oi thought you loved oirland?'
Sometimes discrimination is the better course of action, but at that point you have to screen everybody on the flights. Mario and Luigi would be very unpopular in Dublin. Which is why I do love being in the middle of Hayseed nowhere.
 
There's panic buying and there's plain greed. I was in a Morrisons the other day and I was browsing the priced down chiller. If there's something that I would normally buy then I'll go for it. There seldom is. On this occasion, I was having a quick look when this fat old bastard pushed past me. I gave an exaggerated "Excuse me!" and he then proceeded to shovel up about 10 packets of priced down sandwiches. I said, "You don't have to take them all, mate". It went in one ear....

There is a tendency in many to look after Number 1. It doesn't matter whether there's a flu epidemic or not. It's what panic buying is all about and creates shortages when there are none really.
 
There's panic buying and there's plain greed. I was in a Morrisons the other day and I was browsing the priced down chiller. If there's something that I would normally buy then I'll go for it. There seldom is. On this occasion, I was having a quick look when this fat old bastard pushed past me. I gave an exaggerated "Excuse me!" and he then proceeded to shovel up about 10 packets of priced down sandwiches. I said, "You don't have to take them all, mate". It went in one ear....

There is a tendency in many to look after Number 1. It doesn't matter whether there's a flu epidemic or not. It's what panic buying is all about and creates shortages when there are none really.
Look on the plus side, the fcuker that grabbed the sandwiches is fucked when he gets Coronavirus, due to an underlying heart problem, ie being a fat bastard.

Every action has a reaction and all that.
 
There's panic buying and there's plain greed. I was in a Morrisons the other day and I was browsing the priced down chiller. If there's something that I would normally buy then I'll go for it. There seldom is. On this occasion, I was having a quick look when this fat old bastard pushed past me. I gave an exaggerated "Excuse me!" and he then proceeded to shovel up about 10 packets of priced down sandwiches. I said, "You don't have to take them all, mate". It went in one ear....

There is a tendency in many to look after Number 1. It doesn't matter whether there's a flu epidemic or not. It's what panic buying is all about and creates shortages when there are none really.
I just find it ironic that people are buying the perishable goods now. You might as well get the long lasting stuff that you will need when all the fresh foods are gone. You save the tinned crap, and MRE's for absolute last. Which is why we are investing in frozen avocados...

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Panic buying is a vicious cycle. Besides with online grocery shopping and pick up you would be a moron to not use it. It reduces your exposure to just one or two store employees vs all the people in the supermarkets.
 
Just cancelling the game isn't going to stop them. With the game 10 days away, I would imagine that nearly all of them have already purchased flight tickets and many will have pre-paid accommodation with no prospect of a refund. I think a lot of them will take their weekend in Dublin and watch the other games in the pub.
Then there’s Italy v England, in Rome (Italy). What’s going to happen there?
It’s well known that matches in Rome are well supplied with ‘away-team supporters’ because their wives love the thought of a weekend in Rome.
How many wives are going to say ‘Nah, forget it, we’re not going even though it’s all paid for’?
More to the point, how many husbands are going to say the same thing to their dearest?
The Via Condotti doesn’t fill itself, you know!
 
I just find it ironic that people are buying the perishable goods now. You might as well get the long lasting stuff that you will need when all the fresh foods are gone. You save the tinned crap, and MRE's for absolute last. Which is why we are investing in frozen avocados...

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Panic buying is a vicious cycle. Besides with online grocery shopping and pick up you would be a moron to not use it. It reduces your exposure to just one or two store employees vs all the people in the supermarkets.
I would trying eating one first before filling the freezer. The mrs bought a pack last month...not good.
 

BaldBaBoon

War Hero
I think us paranoid/utterly switched ARRSE members really do need a specialist thread to prep for the apocalypse.

I've always insisted on having a stock of essentials at my house and my mother is a child of the Blitz, so she certainly does not need to be told what its like to live through tough and lean times and has always had a larder that could probably fuel the military for a year.

With my rediscovered love of long distance hiking and wild camping, most of this stuff is used throughout the year, and have it in the car as well as stocked.

1)stock of long burn candles for lighting and heating, with a supply of a means to ignite them. Lighters, matches, flint and striker,magnesium striker etc.
2) Off-Grid means to cook, I have a number of the Coleman petrol cookers that run very well and last a long time, as well as a few gas burners. Firelighters/wood and a sneaky spot to dig a fire-pit in the garden.
3) Large stock of puri-tabs, some excellent and compact drinking filters that I carry camping. Always got a supply of water in the shed and still have several black plastic jerry cans.
4) Always have a bivvi bag, and shelter for camping even if I am not carrying the tent. Thermal bags.
5) Stock of Bin bags, Tin Foil, harry black, washing up liquid, soap.
6) Wool Blankets are just great in British Climates, use them wild camping.
7) Stock of Food stuffs, Dried milk, peanut butter ( high protein and high fat ...energy ), canned meat ( spam/fish ), Saurkraut ( homemade in big pots ) Sugar, Flour, Tins of Veg, bags of lentils,condensed milk,coffee and tea, Tortillas ( last months ) bags of refried beans etc.
8) Olive Oil/coconut oil for cooking and its basically a very high energy foodstuff on its own.
9) Really upgraded all my hiking gear and now have some pretty good stuff that is durable and not too expensive, discovered that there is nothing that beats natural material within a sensible price range, Have got merino wool as much as possible and even gone back to wax cotton instead of gore-tex due to its robustness and ease of repair.Basically I have a good selection of equipment in case I need to do a runner.
10) Basic medical supplies, nothing special, just to treat most common ailments and injuries.
11) Bought a load of Ordnance Survey maps for my area and areas of interest ( walking the south coast for example ) that are excellent for showing up little known paths, good compass.
12) Tools and Misc. paracord,zipties,gerber pliers.Batteries.
13) Household spares, fuses and gubbins to repair the house.
14) TOILET ROLL. Very important and would run out very quickly if the stores are getting emptied, would not get replaced as they are bulky and not worth much money....pallet of baked beans or pallet of loo paper ?
15) Fuel,Oil and means to do some sensible repairs for the car,motorbike.
 
What's daft about it? I doubt they want a few thousand Italians wandering around Dublin, possibly infecting the locals.
Never mind that, Belfast is 100 mile up the coast and I don't really fancy it coming up here over a porous border.

Can individual nations legally prevent other EU nationals freely travelling within the EU in an event of a mass pandemic, this breaking the Freedom of Movement legislation in the EU rulebook?
Where have they legally, or illegally, "prevented" EU nationals freely travelling? They've simply called off a match that would attract many people and put them into one, enclosed, vast arena. They haven't banned anyone from travelling and this has nothing to do with the EU despite the obsessives sneaking over from their own infected threads.
 
I live in Italy, close to one of the Coronavirus hotspots where they have closed complete towns with soldiers with APCs stopping people from going in or coming out.

I've done some research, and I'd like to try to put things into perspective:

Coronavirus is NOT lethal. In fact, it's much less harmful than normal influenza, and not much more than a bad cold. People who contract Coronavirus recover after 4 to 6 days.

In the past two weeks in Italy 12 people have died of Coronavirus. 10 were in their 80s and already had other serious illnesses, and two were younger but dying of other illnesses anyway.

As a result of just over 300 registered infections the Italian government has closed 12 towns completely, using the army to block people from coming in or going out.

Now let's look at normal influenza. The recognised average weekly winter death toll for Italy for influenza is around 300. So, 600 people have died of influenza in the same period that 12 have died of Coronavirus, and yet no emergency has been declared, even though the death rate percentage for influenza is MUCH higher than Coronavirus.

In the same two week period, over 300 people have died in Italy from road accidents (based on the national annual average of just over 8000), yet they haven't closed the roads or stopped people from using them.

Let's look at smoking in Italy. Italian statistics show that over 80,000 people die a year here as a result of smoking. That means in the same two week period that Coronavirus has killed 12 people in Italy, over 3000 have died from smoking.

There is something very wrong and very suspicious about how Coronavirus is being "managed". The World Health Organisation stated that Coronavirus was killing more people than terrorism. I say the WHO are guilty of terrorism by issuing such statements, given the above comparison.

(Also posted in Coronavirus alert... Paranoia)
 

JPA_SAYS_NO

Clanker

It was you wasn't it?

That footage is actually from Monday morning. A colleague witnessed it and reckoned he was either a prankster or a nutter, as what the footage doesn't show is him getting up later and walking away whilst laughing...
 
What's daft about it? I doubt they want a few thousand Italians wandering around Dublin, possibly infecting the locals.
Never mind that, Belfast is 100 mile up the coast and I don't really fancy it coming up here over a porous border.

Can individual nations legally prevent other EU nationals freely travelling within the EU in an event of a mass pandemic, this breaking the Freedom of Movement legislation in the EU rulebook?
If they can do it for terror-related incidents, why not pandemics?

'In 2016, border controls were temporarily reintroduced in seven Schengen countries (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Norway, Poland, and Sweden) in response to the European migrant crisis.[14][15]

'Portugal has since reintroduced checks several times along its border with Spain, during the UEFA Euro 2004 championships and when Portugal hosted the NATO 2010 Lisbon summit. The most recent checks were temporarily reintroduced on the border from May 10, 2017 to May 14, 2017, during Pope Francis's visit to Fátima, Portugal.[16]'

 
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3ToedSloth

Old-Salt
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There's panic buying and there's plain greed. I was in a Morrisons the other day and I was browsing the priced down chiller. If there's something that I would normally buy then I'll go for it. There seldom is. On this occasion, I was having a quick look when this fat old bastard pushed past me. I gave an exaggerated "Excuse me!" and he then proceeded to shovel up about 10 packets of priced down sandwiches. I said, "You don't have to take them all, mate". It went in one ear....

There is a tendency in many to look after Number 1. It doesn't matter whether there's a flu epidemic or not. It's what panic buying is all about and creates shortages when there are none really.
If that winds you up just wait a few weeks until this virus has led society down a full descent into Mad Max anarchy. You can expect wild-eyed thugs with Mohawk haircuts wearing nothing but a surgical mask, leather eye patch and studded codpiece, foaming at the mouth with frenzied excitement for hand to hand combat to the death over the last pint of semi-skimmed milk in Asda.
 
If they can do it for terror-related incidents, why not pandemics.

'In 2016, border controls were temporarily reintroduced in seven Schengen countries (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Norway, Poland, and Sweden) in response to the European migrant crisis.[14][15]

'Portugal has since reintroduced checks several times along its border with Spain, during the UEFA Euro 2004 championships and when Portugal hosted the NATO 2010 Lisbon summit. The most recent checks were temporarily reintroduced on the border from May 10, 2017 to May 14, 2017, during Pope Francis's visit to Fátima, Portugal.[16]'

The Schengen Borders Code provides Member States with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control at the internal borders in the event that a serious threat to public policy or internal security has been established.

The reintroduction of border control at the internal borders must remain an exception and must respect the principle of proportionality. The scope and duration of such a temporary reintroduction of border control at the internal borders is limited in time and should be restricted to the bare minimum needed to respond to the threat in question. Reintroducing border control at the internal border should only ever be used as a measure of last resort.

The reintroduction of border control is a prerogative of the Member States. The Commission may issue an opinion with regard to the necessity of the measure and its proportionality but cannot veto such a decision if it is taken by a Member State.


The bold bit at the bottom. I would imagine you were right as a pandemic could be classed as a serious threat.
Still, nobody has yet talked about imposing controls on entering another country. Simply a ball game that's been cancelled.
I have, for example, cancelled my trip to Milan in about 10 days time because it would seem everything we want to see will be closed. However, nobody is stopping me from going there.

if this carries on, and I doubt it will last that long as the swine flu bit that was going to destroy us all fizzled out in a month or two, there is the Olympics in Japan in August. I assume if we don't got by cruise ship we'll be OK.
 

triggerigger

War Hero
I think us paranoid/utterly switched ARRSE members really do need a specialist thread to prep for the apocalypse.

I've always insisted on having a stock of essentials at my house and my mother is a child of the Blitz, so she certainly does not need to be told what its like to live through tough and lean times and has always had a larder that could probably fuel the military for a year.

With my rediscovered love of long distance hiking and wild camping, most of this stuff is used throughout the year, and have it in the car as well as stocked.

1)stock of long burn candles for lighting and heating, with a supply of a means to ignite them. Lighters, matches, flint and striker,magnesium striker etc.
2) Off-Grid means to cook, I have a number of the Coleman petrol cookers that run very well and last a long time, as well as a few gas burners. Firelighters/wood and a sneaky spot to dig a fire-pit in the garden.
3) Large stock of puri-tabs, some excellent and compact drinking filters that I carry camping. Always got a supply of water in the shed and still have several black plastic jerry cans.
4) Always have a bivvi bag, and shelter for camping even if I am not carrying the tent. Thermal bags.
5) Stock of Bin bags, Tin Foil, harry black, washing up liquid, soap.
6) Wool Blankets are just great in British Climates, use them wild camping.
7) Stock of Food stuffs, Dried milk, peanut butter ( high protein and high fat ...energy ), canned meat ( spam/fish ), Saurkraut ( homemade in big pots ) Sugar, Flour, Tins of Veg, bags of lentils,condensed milk,coffee and tea, Tortillas ( last months ) bags of refried beans etc.
8) Olive Oil/coconut oil for cooking and its basically a very high energy foodstuff on its own.
9) Really upgraded all my hiking gear and now have some pretty good stuff that is durable and not too expensive, discovered that there is nothing that beats natural material within a sensible price range, Have got merino wool as much as possible and even gone back to wax cotton instead of gore-tex due to its robustness and ease of repair.Basically I have a good selection of equipment in case I need to do a runner.
10) Basic medical supplies, nothing special, just to treat most common ailments and injuries.
11) Bought a load of Ordnance Survey maps for my area and areas of interest ( walking the south coast for example ) that are excellent for showing up little known paths, good compass.
12) Tools and Misc. paracord,zipties,gerber pliers.Batteries.
13) Household spares, fuses and gubbins to repair the house.
14) TOILET ROLL. Very important and would run out very quickly if the stores are getting emptied, would not get replaced as they are bulky and not worth much money....pallet of baked beans or pallet of loo paper ?
15) Fuel,Oil and means to do some sensible repairs for the car,motorbike.
Just out of interest what's your location?
 
Where have they legally, or illegally, "prevented" EU nationals freely travelling? They've simply called off a match that would attract many people and put them into one, enclosed, vast arena. They haven't banned anyone from travelling and this has nothing to do with the EU despite the obsessives sneaking over from their own infected threads.
Where did I say the Irish government had banned anyone from travelling? Where did I say the Irish government had prevented anyone from freely moving about the EU?

Looking forward to your answer.
 
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If that winds you up just wait a few weeks until this virus has led society down a full descent into Mad Max anarchy. You can expect wild-eyed thugs with Mohawk haircuts wearing nothing but a surgical mask, leather eye patch and studded codpiece, foaming at the mouth with frenzied excitement for hand to hand combat to the death over the last pint of semi-skimmed milk in Asda.
Just a normal day at Asda then,
 

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