MERS Coronavirus warning

Goatman

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Of course, there may be another explanation. For example, Marvin the Martian (he is real don’t you know) might have invented a diabolical death-ray that targets the unvaccinated, using the lack of an embedded 5G chip to identify those he wants to cull, but Occam’s Razor suggests that might not be the case.

Hmmm, an important documentary which proves the hidden reality that THEY do not want you to witness has recently been discovered - don't believe me, see for yourselves HERE.
 
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Niamac

GCM
If ebola or another haemorrhagic fever ever evolves airborne transmission rather than through bodily fluids we're all properly fucked.
True but the planet might survive the human infestation.
 

Niamac

GCM
There is a good and fairly sobering article in Nature this morning about the significance of the Delta variant. It is rather above most of our pay grades but it is understandable and the general message is that this variant is much more dangerous than the original virus.


This disease is going to be with us for ever and is likely leave a lot of people chronically affected. A better argument for vaccination I cannot imagine.

It is amazing to me how our understanding of this subject has advanced; pity our politics is still stuck in the 17th century.
 

BaldBaBoon

War Hero
Brother of my wife (served 2 year in Afghanistan in 80's) yesterday had his 2d jab.
After the 1st jab he got a discount card in supermarket worth about 10 Pounds (as any Russian 60yo or more).
And after 2d jad as any Russian 65yo or more he received a gift worth no less than 50 Pounds including AnD UA888 automatic blood pressure meter
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Interesting. Does the issuing of reward coupons appear to be having an effect on people accepting the vaccine?

Something like the blood pressure monitor seems to be quite a sensible idea to be provided to any of the groups who may be classed as vulnerable or not in the Fit, Young and healthy bracket.
 
Pure, unadulterated windbaggery. The pub bore that knows nothing except how to copy and paste. You know zilch.
The numbers tell you it’s made people absolutely not immune to any virus.
Would you explain your motives for your recent posts ref vaccinations?

Genuinely interested.
Exactly the same statistics was used by some 'activists' in Russian social networks to 'prove' that vaccination is irrelevant for those who are <50 against delta variant of COVID-19.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
Let's hold a question:
Suppose that you are under 50yo then what is probability for you to have delta virus, to be seriously ill, to die being fully vaccinated and not vaccinated?
Probability to have delta variant is about 10 times lower for fully vaccinated than for not vaccinated and it is the most important detail. So with even the same rate of serious illness or death among the infected we see that mortality rate is no less than 10 times lower.
 

R0B

War Hero
Does anyone know how long the current vaccines last for?

Given that we (in the UK) started in December and there were trials before that and we're now at about 70% with two doses if the vaccine only lasts a year we'll need to start again in December. Then we'll have to start measuring a whole new load of stats about who has up to date vaccinations and who hasn't had a booster.
 
Interesting. Does the issuing of reward coupons appear to be having an effect on people accepting the vaccine?

Something like the blood pressure monitor seems to be quite a sensible idea to be provided to any of the groups who may be classed as vulnerable or not in the Fit, Young and healthy bracket.

I don't know the take-up but a casino in Vegas was offering $40 to people that could prove they were fully vaccinated, then $20 per shot to someone going to the casino and having their shots there. They stopped the $40 if you proved you had been vaccinated as I guess it was costing them too much.
 
Pure, unadulterated windbaggery. The pub bore that knows nothing except how to copy and paste. You know zilch.
The numbers tell you it’s made people absolutely not immune to any virus.
I've had both my jabs so both of my windbags are quite safe thank you. Unfortunately that young woman in the Yukon whose story I posted previously didn't get her jabs and now her lungs are permanently damaged which will limit her enjoyment of life after she recovers.
 
Does anyone know how long the current vaccines last for?

Given that we (in the UK) started in December and there were trials before that and we're now at about 70% with two doses if the vaccine only lasts a year we'll need to start again in December. Then we'll have to start measuring a whole new load of stats about who has up to date vaccinations and who hasn't had a booster.
I saw a story this morning which said that a preliminary study of the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine estimates that a booster shot may be required after about 18 months. The effectiveness supposedly peaked at 2 months after the second jab and then declined slowly.

The source I read wasn't the best so I will wait for a better news story on this before I post about it further. If there is something to it then I expect to see better news stories published either today or very soon after.

Other stories have suggested that immunity from the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab may possibly last longer, but that is very tentative at this time and is based solely on what parts of the immune system are activated the most.

There is also some reason to believe that having a longer interval (e.g. 12 weeks rather than 3 or 4 weeks) between first and second jabs will make the vaccine more effective and longer lasting.

The UK government have made preliminary plans for giving booster shots to the elderly this winter, but no definite plans have been made yet. There are also plans for updated vaccines tailored to handle the new variants, and these would be given as boosters to everyone.

Most health experts seem to think that some sort of booster shots will be needed, but whether that's every year or every 5 years is something we can't tell yet.
 
There is a good and fairly sobering article in Nature this morning about the significance of the Delta variant. It is rather above most of our pay grades but it is understandable and the general message is that this variant is much more dangerous than the original virus.


This disease is going to be with us for ever and is likely leave a lot of people chronically affected. A better argument for vaccination I cannot imagine.

It is amazing to me how our understanding of this subject has advanced; pity our politics is still stuck in the 17th century.

Certainly, the idea that the variants that would survive would be the less harmful ones seems to be in question.
 
Some interesting facts and figures from the ONS.

In the UK the overall 2020 figures for all-cause mortality - that's all deaths, show that there was no pandemic in the UK.

Total death figures for 2020 certainly show a lot more deaths than in 2019 but approximately 608,000 deaths represents 1.016% of the total population. Not a pandemic.

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And if you go back and check the figures for 2000 you will find that 1.031% of the population died. And in 1976 it was 1.2%.

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No restrictions in those years, nor mass vaccinations either.
I have plotted the data from the upper table in this post LINK.
 
Here is the COVID-19 summary for Thursday.
Coronavirus: What's happening in Canada and around the world

In the US, federal employees will have to either get vaccinated or wear masks, have weekly testing, and engage in various sorts of social distancing. It is hoped that at least some private employers will do the same. The intention is apparently to put more pressure in order to restart the American's stalled vaccination campaign.
U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday announced sweeping new pandemic requirements aimed at boosting vaccination rates for millions of federal workers and contractors as he lamented the "American tragedy" of rising-yet-preventable deaths among the unvaccinated.

Federal workers will be required to sign forms attesting they've been vaccinated against the coronavirus or else comply with new rules on mandatory masking, weekly testing, distancing and more. The strict new guidelines are aimed at increasing sluggish vaccination rates among the huge number of Americans who draw federal paycheques — and to set an example for private employers around the country.

According to the WHO, things are starting to look up in Africa as vaccine supplies begin to arrive in quantity.
In Africa, the director of the region's World Health Organization chapter says the continent of 1.3 billion people is entering an "encouraging phase after a bleak June" as supplies of COVID-19 vaccines increase.

Tokyo set another record for new cases.
In Asia, Japanese officials have sounded the alarm as Tokyo reported record-breaking coronavirus cases for the third straight day with the Olympics well underway.

Spain said that pandemic control measures will continue until at least the end of October.
In Europe, Spain's prime minister on Thursday announced that existing measures to protect the most vulnerable from the pandemic's economic fallout will be prolonged until the end of October.

Brazil may cancel a contract to buy 10 million doses of Sputnik V. The story wasn't specific as to the reasons for this, but I seem to recall that there is some politics behind this one. The vaccine contract was arranged by someone who is now running against president Bolsonaro, and so Bolsonaro wants to cancel the contract in order to prevent his opponent from getting any good publicity over it.
In the Americas, Brazil plans to cancel a contract signed in March for 10 million doses of Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine, Health Minister Marcelo Queiroga said on Thursday as the South American nation struggles with one of the worst outbreaks in the world.

Things are looking bad in Senegal, with hospitals full in Dakar. There is no oxygen shortage yet, but suppliers are working overtime. They have received new shipments of vaccine from Sinopharm, AstraZeneca (through COVAX), and Johnson & Johnson.
Senegalese hospitals face wave of COVID-19 cases
Senegal, which until this month had recorded fewer than 44,000 cases and 1,166 deaths, has registered more than 15,000 cases and 139 deaths since the start of July, according to Health Ministry figures.

Israel plan to offer vaccine booster shots to people over 60 starting on Sunday. There isn't solid evidence yet that this is needed, but this appears to be being done "just in case". A preliminary study done in Israel has suggested that the effectiveness of the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine may be fading after 6 months, but in other stories some health professionals are not convinced that is correct just yet.
Israel to offer COVID-19 booster vaccine shot to citizens over 60

Israel's prime minister on Thursday announced that the country would offer a coronavirus booster to people over 60 who have already been vaccinated.

"I'm announcing this evening the beginning of the campaign to receive the booster vaccine, the third vaccine," Bennett said in a nationally televised address.

"Reality proves the vaccines are safe. Reality also proves the vaccines protects from severe morbidity and death. And like the flu vaccine that needs to be renewed from time to time, it is the same in this case."

In the Philippines, president Duterte told citizens that people who refuse to get vaccinated won't be allowed to leave their homes. While that may sound decisive, the actual problem is a shortage of vaccine, not a shortage of arms to stick it into. He also said that so far as he is concerned, people who won't get vaccinated can "die any time" and Duterte won't care.
Get vaccinated or be confined at home, Philippines president warns
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is warning that Filipinos who refuse to get vaccinated against the coronavirus will not be allowed to leave their homes as a safeguard against the more contagious delta variant.

Duterte said in televised remarks Wednesday night that there is no law mandating such a restriction but added he is ready to face lawsuits to keep people who are "throwing viruses left and right" off the streets.

The brash-talking president adds that for people who don't want to be vaccinated, "well, for all I care, you can die anytime."

In Australia, Sydney reported a record (for them) number of new cases, 239. The city is in its sixth week of lockdown and authorities are going to bring in the army to help enforce the lockdown.
Australia's largest city seeks military help as daily COVID-19 cases hit new record
With even tighter restrictions set to begin on Friday, New South Wales Police said it had asked for 300 military personnel to help enforce lockdown orders.

"With an increase in enforcement activity over the coming week, I have now made a formal request to the prime minister for (Australian Defence Force) personnel to assist with that operation," New South Wales police Commissioner Mick Fuller said in an emailed statement.
 
AstraZeneca have said they intend to apply for US approval of their vaccine later this year.
AstraZeneca to seek U.S. approval of COVID vaccine

That in itself isn't that interesting, but some of the statistics included in the story to pad it out are. Here's a summary.

  • More than 700 million doses of the Oxford vaccine have been delivered to more than 170 countries so far.
  • 319 million doses were made by AstraZeneca, the rest by other makers, including SII.
  • 97 million doses were delivered to the EU, more than any other vaccine.
  • 65 million doses were delivered to Brazil.
  • 52 million doses were delivered to the UK.
  • 80 million doses were delivered through COVAX.
  • 49 million doses went to GAVI, which is the part of COVAX that delivers vaccine to poor countries at low cost.
  • 57 million doses went to other countries. It's not clear if this is meant to refer to the part of COVAX which delivers vaccine to middle and higher income countries at commercial prices.
 
Does anyone know how long the current vaccines last for?

Given that we (in the UK) started in December and there were trials before that and we're now at about 70% with two doses if the vaccine only lasts a year we'll need to start again in December. Then we'll have to start measuring a whole new load of stats about who has up to date vaccinations and who hasn't had a booster.
This is touched upon in this very good (as usual) article by ’Your Local Epidemiologist’, Dr Kate.

It is mainly talking about differences between figures coming out of Israel and the UK with regards to effectiveness of the vaccines in use.

 

TamH70

MIA
Sod my life. I get through 18 months of this bloody pandemic without catching the Chinese super-lurgy, only to crack two of my ribs a month ago and get diagnosed with shingles this afternoon - with the characteristic rash showing up on the same side as the bastard fractures! Still, at least the anti-virals I'm on now should give me some added protection from Covid-19 along with the double vaccination I've had against it... I hope.

Now all I need to do is get my plague bell and start ringing it when I'm out in public and intone "unclean, unclean!" in my best voice.
 
Sod my life. I get through 18 months of this bloody pandemic without catching the Chinese super-lurgy, only to crack two of my ribs a month ago and get diagnosed with shingles this afternoon - with the characteristic rash showing up on the same side as the bastard fractures! Still, at least the anti-virals I'm on now should give me some added protection from Covid-19 along with the double vaccination I've had against it... I hope.

Now all I need to do is get my plague bell and start ringing it when I'm out in public and intone "unclean, unclean!" in my best voice.
Nae luck bud.
 
AstraZeneca have said they intend to apply for US approval of their vaccine later this year.
AstraZeneca to seek U.S. approval of COVID vaccine

That in itself isn't that interesting, but some of the statistics included in the story to pad it out are. Here's a summary.

  • More than 700 million doses of the Oxford vaccine have been delivered to more than 170 countries so far.
  • 319 million doses were made by AstraZeneca, the rest by other makers, including SII.
  • 97 million doses were delivered to the EU, more than any other vaccine.
  • 65 million doses were delivered to Brazil.
  • 52 million doses were delivered to the UK.
  • 80 million doses were delivered through COVAX.
  • 49 million doses went to GAVI, which is the part of COVAX that delivers vaccine to poor countries at low cost.
  • 57 million doses went to other countries. It's not clear if this is meant to refer to the part of COVAX which delivers vaccine to middle and higher income countries at commercial prices.

I would question some of those figures. Spain received vaccines per capita, that is depending on their population so they would have received the same percentage as every other EU country.
To date, AZ have provided 10,389,000.
Pfizer have provided 39,400,000. .

So far, 39,000,000 of the Pfizer vaccine has been given in Spain and 9.500,000 of AZ.

And @Rob UK has not given 70% of the population both jabs. 56.7% of the population have had both jabs so some way to go to the 70% (as at 2 days ago) according to our world in data. 72% have had at least one jab but not both.
 
I would question some of those figures. Spain received vaccines per capita, that is depending on their population so they would have received the same percentage as every other EU country.
To date, AZ have provided 10,389,000.
Pfizer have provided 39,400,000. .

So far, 39,000,000 of the Pfizer vaccine has been given in Spain and 9.500,000 of AZ.

And @Rob UK has not given 70% of the population both jabs. 56.7% of the population have had both jabs so some way to go to the 70% (as at 2 days ago) according to our world in data. 72% have had at least one jab but not both.
One needs to be a bit careful when comparing percentages vaccinated. The UK Government tends to only publish % of the adult population rather than % of total population. The official figures released today are 88.4% received first vaccination and 71.8% both, but that is of the adult population.
 

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