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The following is an interesting story on how certain US politicians who had been promoting an anti-vaccination message as a political tactic have found that this has backfired on them and now find themselves having to urge people to get the jab as their supporters are the ones who are the most vulnerable to infection.
Republican politicians ramp up pro-vaccination messaging as COVID-19 caseloads soar

One particularly amusing one is the governor of Florida Ron DeSantis. He is "thinking about" running for president in 2024. He is now urging people in his state to get the jab and telling them that vaccines save lives at the same time as his campaign team are attacking wearing masks and medical experts.


A major part of the problem is that there is so much misinformation, much of it put out by major political figures for short term partisan gain, that many people don't know what to believe.


The political breakdown of who has been getting vaccinated and who hasn't is interesting. Of the total population in the US, 56.2 per cent have at least one dose. However, 83 per cent of Democrats have at least one dose while only 51 per cent of Republicans do. Of the Republicans who have not been vaccinated, 52 per cent say they definitely won't be doing so.



There is a video in the story (the forum software won't embed it in the post) which is definitely worth watching. It is title "Republican pollster explains why he's helping Biden tackle vaccine hesitancy". It is 5 minutes long and I very much recommend watching it.
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Half of Spain now under a curfew again. Generally 0100 to 0600 and affects the highly affected towns with more than 5,000 inhabitants. Cases well on the rise with about 30,000 new cases a day over the last few days. Deaths still at a low level in the 20s with 153 in the whole week.

Hospitalisations in the Valencia Region have been going up. Our regional Min of Health says 83% of them are not vaccinated, either in the young age range or the "dissenters" as the press calls them.

Don't know if these are, like UK, real cases or what but deaths are reported, again like UK, if someone dies within 48 hours of diagnosis. One that was reported in the press was a 5 year old dying of Covid but, when you read into it, he actually drowned but they said it was because he had breathing difficulties due to Covid.

Now Pfizer not meeting their delivery targets as well but the vaccine rollout is going well with 55% of the total population now receiving both vaccines. Regional Pres reckons that 70% of the population from 12 upwards will have had both jabs by 9th October. Now 85% of all those over 40 have had both jabs.

Demos in Barcelona (Catalonia) and Bilbao (Basque country) today against the lockdowns and curfews. Couple of thousand at each demo, apparently.

Still at extreme high weather alerts in this area with temps of 38 to 43 C being forecast this weekend although only 33C here this afternoon.
 
Half of Spain now under a curfew again. Generally 0100 to 0600 and affects the highly affected towns with more than 5,000 inhabitants. Cases well on the rise with about 30,000 new cases a day over the last few days. Deaths still at a low level in the 20s with 153 in the whole week.

Hospitalisations in the Valencia Region have been going up. Our regional Min of Health says 83% of them are not vaccinated, either in the young age range or the "dissenters" as the press calls them.

Don't know if these are, like UK, real cases or what but deaths are reported, again like UK, if someone dies within 48 hours of diagnosis. One that was reported in the press was a 5 year old dying of Covid but, when you read into it, he actually drowned but they said it was because he had breathing difficulties due to Covid.

Now Pfizer not meeting their delivery targets as well but the vaccine rollout is going well with 55% of the total population now receiving both vaccines. Regional Pres reckons that 70% of the population from 12 upwards will have had both jabs by 9th October. Now 85% of all those over 40 have had both jabs.

Demos in Barcelona (Catalonia) and Bilbao (Basque country) today against the lockdowns and curfews. Couple of thousand at each demo, apparently.

Still at extreme high weather alerts in this area with temps of 38 to 43 C being forecast this weekend although only 33C here this afternoon.
I read an article yesterday that said hospitalization was about 80% unvaccinated. They were still seeing double jabbed people as well, people think they are invincible after two jabs and switch off, most people know vaccines are never 100%.
 

Goatman

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Book Reviewer
Flat,unemotional factual webinar from head of the Zoe Study Group .

Everything you ever wanted to know (but were afraid to ask) about the Delta Variant


Ironically, yesterday I took over a crew bus from one of our guys who had spent six months off with a confirmed case of Covid-19 last year....and now can't work more than 4 hours at a stretch.

And yes, I did disinfect all the vehicle hard surfaces after he had left.

Anyone who ' doesn't believe in Long Covid' should Google ' Michael Rosen ' and hear what he has to say.


Stay safe and well folks.
 
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I read an article yesterday that said hospitalization was about 80% unvaccinated. They were still seeing double jabbed people as well, people think they are invincible after two jabs and switch off, most people know vaccines are never 100%.
Keep in mind that it takes several weeks after the second jab for it to take full effect. There are people getting infected during that period who have not had time to build up immunity after the second jab.
 

BaldBaBoon

War Hero
Another cracking update from the doctor in regards to a very recent study regarding effective resistance provided by vaccines and how long they remain effective, trial conducted in Isreal who apparently have the highest and fastest administered public vaccination in the world.

Astra Zenica Vaccine

The summary is that In Israel the vaccine is dropping resistance against covid quite fast and is apparently only 50 % as effective as the UK. Same Vaccine standard, same age groups were adminstered to first, same as us...identical roll out...except for 1 main factor.

3 weeks between doses on average in Isreal....... 8 weeks minimum ( average is about 12 weeks ) between doses in the UK. It appears to been having a profound effect.

America needs to be bracing itself in the next few weeks or so, they have appeared to reached a critical mass in vaccination, a lot of people refusing to take it and the doses appear to be provided only 3 to 4 weeks apart.

 
Flat,unemotional factual webinar from head of the Zoe Study Group .

Everything you ever wanted to know (but were afraid to ask) about the Delta Variant


Ironically, yesterday I took over a crew bus from one of our guys who had spent six months off with a confirmed case of Covid-19 last year....and now can't work more than 4 hours at a stretch.

And yes, I did disinfect all the vehicle hard surfaces after he had left.

Anyone who ' doesn't believe in Long Covid' should Google ' Michael Rosen ' and hear what he has to say.


Stay safe and well folks.

Long covid hit him hard...

*sorry that video just proper tickles me
 
Another cracking update from the doctor in regards to a very recent study regarding effective resistance provided by vaccines and how long they remain effective, trial conducted in Isreal who apparently have the highest and fastest administered public vaccination in the world.

Astra Zenica Vaccine

The summary is that In Israel the vaccine is dropping resistance against covid quite fast and is apparently only 50 % as effective as the UK. Same Vaccine standard, same age groups were adminstered to first, same as us...identical roll out...except for 1 main factor.

3 weeks between doses on average in Isreal....... 8 weeks minimum ( average is about 12 weeks ) between doses in the UK. It appears to been having a profound effect.

America needs to be bracing itself in the next few weeks or so, they have appeared to reached a critical mass in vaccination, a lot of people refusing to take it and the doses appear to be provided only 3 to 4 weeks apart.

That was quite fascinating. It will be interesting to see if a study will be done to try to reconcile the Israeli numbers with the UK numbers.

Due to the severe shortage of vaccine in Canada, after we had vaccinated the most elderly in nursing homes we prioritised giving first doses to as many people as possible and putting off giving second doses as long as possible. It was felt that giving as many people as possible some protection was better than giving a smaller number the full amount.

As a result for many people there were 16 weeks between first and second doses. The reaction from places like the US was "shock horror, you can't do that!" It was however based on preliminary data from the UK and public health officials in Canada were quite confident in it.

Currently there is loads of vaccine available so there is a big push on to give everyone their second jab and wait times have been pushed down to the minimum.

One of the news stories that I posted within the past couple of days said that the US have ordered another 200 million doses to be used as a booster. I am curious as to whether they have come to the same conclusion as was arrived at in the video.

I believe that most (or even all) EU countries also used a 3 or 4 week gap for vaccine as well. It will be interesting to see how things work out there.
 

Goatman

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Dr John Campbell has been consistently excellent during this whole saga.
 

Niamac

GCM
I know it is only one swallow but this morning's look at the rate of infection indicates that the UK figures for confirmed cases may have peaked.


If so it will be "Huzza for Bozza" and trebles all round in Downing Street.
 
I know it is only one swallow but this morning's look at the rate of infection indicates that the UK figures for confirmed cases may have peaked.


If so it will be "Huzza for Bozza" and trebles all round in Downing Street.
I've been following the BBC graphs and spotted a potential downturn on Friday with a bit more of a downward turn yesterday.

Trouble is, it's the weekend so it could just be reporting deficiencies. Need to see how it plays out for the next week before admitting to being optimistic.
 
I've been following the BBC graphs and spotted a potential downturn on Friday with a bit more of a downward turn yesterday.

Trouble is, it's the weekend so it could just be reporting deficiencies. Need to see how it plays out for the next week before admitting to being optimistic.
I spotted it the other day, and was quietly hopeful. Even the Average is trending downwards:
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I wonder how much of that was propelled by the football, as it's been about two weeks since the final, which is about the lag time one would expect.
 
Here is the COVID-19 summary for Saturday.
Coronavirus: What's happening around the world on Saturday

In the US, some states have stopped reporting daily COVID-19 stats and are only reporting weekly. This means that real time stats are not available for some of the worst affected states such as Florida. Florida currently accounts for one fifth of new infections in the US. In Florida, the now weekly reports showed new cases rising from 23,000 to 45,000 and then to 73,000 on the latest one. Hospitals are starting to run out of space and health experts are alarmed at the lack of data to work with.
Several U.S. states scaled back their reporting of COVID-19 statistics this month just as cases across the country started to skyrocket, depriving the public of real-time information on outbreaks, cases, hospitalizations and deaths in their communities.

The shift to weekly instead of daily reporting in Florida, Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota marked a notable shift during a pandemic in which coronavirus dashboards have become a staple for Americans closely tracking case counts and trends to navigate a crisis that has killed more than 600,000 people in the U.S.

(...) In Florida's last two weekly reports, the number of new cases shot up from 23,000 to 45,000 and then 73,000 on Friday, an average of more than 10,000 day. Hospitals are starting to run out of space in parts of the state.

The trend of reducing data reporting has alarmed infectious disease specialists who believe that more information is better during a pandemic

In Japan, one of the team members of the Czech Olympic beach volleyball team tested positive for COVID-19 and as a result the first game of the tournament was cancelled and a default win awarded to the Japanese team who were supposed to play them.
The very first match of the Olympic beach volleyball tournament has been cancelled because a Czech player tested positive for COVID-19. (...)

The Czechs were supposed to be playing a team from the host country that would have been making its Olympic debut. Instead, the Japanese pair of Megumi Murakami and Miki Ishii earned the victory by default.

In Australia, anti-lockdown protesters did their usual and police arrested some for overthrowing barriers and throwing things. Photos in the story show people with signs like "Unmask the Truth" and "The Great Awakening".
In Asia-Pacific, thousands of people took to the streets of Sydney and other Australian cities on Saturday to protest pandemic lockdown restrictions amid another surge in COVID-19 cases, and police made multiple arrests after crowds broke through barriers and threw plastic bottles and potted plants.

Tanzania received the first batch out of 1 million Johnson & Johnson vaccine doses donated by the US.
In Africa, Tanzania on Saturday received its first batch of one million Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines donated by the U.S. government. Tanzania had been among the few countries in Africa yet to receive vaccines or start vaccinating its population, mainly because its former leader had claimed that prayer had defeated COVID-19 in the country.

Cuba received a shipment of medical supplies from Russia, including 1 million medical masks.
In the Americas, Cuba has received a shipment of COVID-19 aid from Russia, including one million medical masks, according to the Latin American country's Defence Ministry. Cuba, which kept coronavirus infections low last year, earlier this week reported the highest rate of infections per capita in the region, straining its health-care sector and helping stoke rare anti-government protests earlier this month.

In France, protesters protested against new pandemic measures.
In Europe, far-right activists and members of France's yellow vest movement are holding protests on Saturday against new coronavirus measures. French lawmakers are debating a bill requiring everyone to have a special virus pass to enter restaurants and other venues and mandating COVID-19 vaccinations for all health-care workers as infections and hospitalizations are again on the rise.
 
Another cracking update from the doctor in regards to a very recent study regarding effective resistance provided by vaccines and how long they remain effective, trial conducted in Isreal who apparently have the highest and fastest administered public vaccination in the world.

Astra Zenica Vaccine

The summary is that In Israel the vaccine is dropping resistance against covid quite fast and is apparently only 50 % as effective as the UK. Same Vaccine standard, same age groups were adminstered to first, same as us...identical roll out...except for 1 main factor.

3 weeks between doses on average in Isreal....... 8 weeks minimum ( average is about 12 weeks ) between doses in the UK. It appears to been having a profound effect.

America needs to be bracing itself in the next few weeks or so, they have appeared to reached a critical mass in vaccination, a lot of people refusing to take it and the doses appear to be provided only 3 to 4 weeks apart.


If he's right, doesn't that mean Herd immunity is effectively impossible?
 
If he's right, doesn't that mean Herd immunity is effectively impossible?
No, his main point is that the Israel study may possibly suggest that 3 or 4 week gap between doses used in Israel and the US was too short, and that the 12 week gap used in the UK (and certain other countries) may result in more effective vaccination that holds up better over the long run.

It's just a hypothesis at this point, but it's worth looking into.

It's also possible that there is something wrong with how the Israeli study was done, as nobody else seems to be seeing this.
 
Couple more stats from the Valencian Region as the Regional president pointed out the deaths in the last week have all been of non vaccinated people.

The cases here started rising on June 21st and, up until yesterday, there have been a total of 49,024 cases with 26 deaths (3 of those dating from earlier in the year). That's a death rate of 0.05%, The last time cases were high, there were 428,561 back in January and February but the number of deaths in that period was 4,468 giving a percentage of around 1.0%.

He pointed out that the vaccine programme had only just begun but now, with 57% of the population fully vaccinated and 85% of the over 40s double vaccinated, the difference in deaths is now 20 times lower than it was then.

Going back to the beginning of last year, when all this started, the death rate was also at around 1.0%.
 
The following is a rather interesting BBC story. Apparently a marketing agency was offering YouTubers (people who run commercial YoutTube channels) money to promote anti-vaxxer propaganda about the safety of vaccines.
The YouTubers who blew the whistle on an anti-vax plot

The campaign consisted of paying YouTubers to promote the ideas (without revealing they were being paid to do so) and pointing their viewers to web sites that had been set up to provide "evidence" to support anti-vaxxer theories.

Some of it sounds similar to what a certain tin foil hatter has been posting on ARRSE.

I very much recommend reading this.
 

happyuk

War Hero
Some interesting facts and figures from the ONS.

In the UK the overall 2020 figures for all-cause mortality - that's all deaths, show that there was no pandemic in the UK.

Total death figures for 2020 certainly show a lot more deaths than in 2019 but approximately 608,000 deaths represents 1.016% of the total population. Not a pandemic.

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And if you go back and check the figures for 2000 you will find that 1.031% of the population died. And in 1976 it was 1.2%.

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No restrictions in those years, nor mass vaccinations either.
 
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