Assuming you get a second jab.
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Assuming you get a second jab.
no f in beer
War Hero
She did, you get 2nd appoitment at the 1st, or at least she did
AsterixTG
LE
Serious message - unfortunate Professor's surname...
www.walesonline.co.uk
Third of Covid patients discharged from hospital re-admitted in five months
One in eight Covid patients who are discharged from hospital die within 140 days - with patients suffering heart problems, diabetes, liver and kidney conditions
I was given a date then cancelled with no further notice. I understand now that there is no government guarantee that a second injection will be given according to the newspaper today.
no f in beer
War Hero
Ah, newspaper, must be true. At least you have had the vaccine, just not the booster
terminal
LE
The bit about "only start counting after vaccinations have been going for a while" seems to be extrapolated from "count the infection rate after 'x' number of cases" thing which everyone was doing in the spring in order to compare rates of increase in infections.
This was useful when comparing infection growth rates when the virus was arriving in different places several weeks apart, but it's not a useful way of comparing independent vaccination programs when the goal is to start as soon as possible and ramp up as quickly as possible.
As the article makes clear, the person who came up with this way of counting things is just trying to find a way of saving face after getting his predictions of Britain not being able to get vaccine supplies drastically wrong.
If anything however, the comparison used would seem to put the blame on the EU as it seems many of the individual countries can get jabs in arms provided they can get vaccine. The problem has been getting vaccine, and in the case of the EU, getting it approved.
terminal
LE
So far as I am aware, the first and second doses are identical in terms of quantity and chemical composition. The first dose provides most of the effect in terms of activating your immune system, while the second dose adds a bit more on top of that to an immune system that is already primed to look for it.
We don't really know though just how the difference between having one dose and having two doses will be over the long run. We think we have a rough idea, but the data is not as firm as the original trials data. There haven't been any large scale studies of this, which is why manufacturers are recommending sticking to the particular schedule they used in their trials.
Follow up studies are being done on people who are being vaccinated now, and that will add to our knowledge and will be used to adjust schedules as time goes on.
terminal
LE
Here is the COVID-19 summary for Monday.
Coronavirus: What's happening in Canada and around the world on Monday
France began vaccinating people over 75.
The UK variant of the virus is taking hold in Belgium, with cases being reported in several schools and a nursing home.
In St. Moritz Switzerland, guests and employees at 2 luxury hotels are being quarantined, ski schools are being closed, and children are being kept at home following an outbreak there.
The outbreak in Hebei province in China continues to make the news as restrictions are tightened further. Few details are available, but the outbreak in this province which surrounds Beijing has been repeatedly reported on and so may be serious.
In the US, California has now topped 3 million cases, having reached 2 million only as recently as Christmas. They have had nearly 34,000 deaths so far.
Also in the US, they expect to see another 100,000 deaths in the next 5 weeks.
Brazil have approved the use of both the Sinovac CoronaVac (from China) and Oxford-AstraZenica vaccines. They have 6 million doses of the CoronaVac and 2 million doses of the Oxford vaccine already in Brazil awaiting this approval.
South Africa, who have not received any vaccines yet, say they have arranged for the supply of 9 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. There was no news on when this vaccine will actually be delivered there, and this vaccine will not be ready anywhere until March. According to other news reports it will be produced by subcontractors, one of whom is in South Africa. This is a one shot vaccine, so 6 million doses will cover 6 million people.
Coronavirus: What's happening in Canada and around the world on Monday
France began vaccinating people over 75.
The UK variant of the virus is taking hold in Belgium, with cases being reported in several schools and a nursing home.
In St. Moritz Switzerland, guests and employees at 2 luxury hotels are being quarantined, ski schools are being closed, and children are being kept at home following an outbreak there.
The outbreak in Hebei province in China continues to make the news as restrictions are tightened further. Few details are available, but the outbreak in this province which surrounds Beijing has been repeatedly reported on and so may be serious.
In the US, California has now topped 3 million cases, having reached 2 million only as recently as Christmas. They have had nearly 34,000 deaths so far.
Also in the US, they expect to see another 100,000 deaths in the next 5 weeks.
Brazil have approved the use of both the Sinovac CoronaVac (from China) and Oxford-AstraZenica vaccines. They have 6 million doses of the CoronaVac and 2 million doses of the Oxford vaccine already in Brazil awaiting this approval.
South Africa, who have not received any vaccines yet, say they have arranged for the supply of 9 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. There was no news on when this vaccine will actually be delivered there, and this vaccine will not be ready anywhere until March. According to other news reports it will be produced by subcontractors, one of whom is in South Africa. This is a one shot vaccine, so 6 million doses will cover 6 million people.
exbleep
LE
Spain doesn't buy in to this waiting so long for the second dose. The Min of Health has pointed out the number of positives in residential homes several weeks after the first dose and are concerned that a longer wait than recommended by the manufacturers could cause the body to build up an immunity before the second dose is given.
They are pressing ahead with giving the second vaccine 3 weeks after receiving the first dose rather than vaccinating as many as possible with the first one and then waiting.
Despite the low number of vaccines received this week in our area, the second dose at residential homes and front line health workers will continue with the second tranche of other health workers getting the first vaccine delayed until next week when Pfizer have said the supply chain will get back on track.
Pfizer originally said the disruption in supply would continue until the 15th Feb but have now said it will be back to normal by 25th Jan.
They say the first tranche of 2.5 million in care homes and front line medical staff will have received both doses of the vaccine by the middle of February with the second tranche being completed by the beginning of March.
ETA:
Medical staff getting a bit weary and cheesed off with some people. One doctor says that they are doing all these PCR tests on people with a few symptoms and then, if the test comes back positive, they try and contact the patient and are told they aren't at home because they've gone shopping or down at the bank.
He (or she) says it's the perfect storm when people don't self isolated until the results come back.
They are pressing ahead with giving the second vaccine 3 weeks after receiving the first dose rather than vaccinating as many as possible with the first one and then waiting.
Despite the low number of vaccines received this week in our area, the second dose at residential homes and front line health workers will continue with the second tranche of other health workers getting the first vaccine delayed until next week when Pfizer have said the supply chain will get back on track.
Pfizer originally said the disruption in supply would continue until the 15th Feb but have now said it will be back to normal by 25th Jan.
They say the first tranche of 2.5 million in care homes and front line medical staff will have received both doses of the vaccine by the middle of February with the second tranche being completed by the beginning of March.
ETA:
Medical staff getting a bit weary and cheesed off with some people. One doctor says that they are doing all these PCR tests on people with a few symptoms and then, if the test comes back positive, they try and contact the patient and are told they aren't at home because they've gone shopping or down at the bank.
He (or she) says it's the perfect storm when people don't self isolated until the results come back.
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"They are pressing ahead with giving the second vaccine 3 weeks after receiving the first dose rather than vaccinating as many as possible with the first one and then waiting."
What now?
WightMivvi
War Hero
To be fair, stupidity is everywhere. Locally, we’ve had covid-positive people going shopping and getting on the ferries.
is this like the Olympics were the EU added together the medals from 27 countries and declared ‘the EUs wins’?
adouglasmhor
LE
I saw eating more fruit and being really good at climbing as a bonus. I'm disappointed now.@terminal
Meanwhile turns out the Usual Suspects have an interest in bad-mouthing the cheapest available option:
Russians spread fake news over Oxford coronavirus vaccine
A Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation.Pictures, memes and video clipswww.thetimes.co.uk
A Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation.
View attachment 539715
Pictures, memes and video clips depicting the British-made vaccine as dangerous have been devised in Russia and middlemen are now seeking to “seed” the images on social media networks around the world.
The crude theme of the distorted images is that the vaccine, millions of doses of which will be manufactured by the pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca, could turn people into monkeys because it uses a chimpanzee virus as a vector.
The campaign is being targeted at countries where Russia wants to sell its own Sputnik V vaccine, as well as western nations.
Article dated October 2020...be interesting to hear an update.
Has the Wall Street Journal covered this aspect of ongoing Russian disinformation campaign ?
@terminal
Meanwhile turns out the Usual Suspects have an interest in bad-mouthing the cheapest available option:
Russians spread fake news over Oxford coronavirus vaccine
A Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation.Pictures, memes and video clips
A Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation.
View attachment 539715
Pictures, memes and video clips depicting the British-made vaccine as dangerous have been devised in Russia and middlemen are now seeking to “seed” the images on social media networks around the world.
The crude theme of the distorted images is that the vaccine, millions of doses of which will be manufactured by the pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca, could turn people into monkeys because it uses a chimpanzee virus as a vector.
The campaign is being targeted at countries where Russia wants to sell its own Sputnik V vaccine, as well as western nations.
Article dated October 2020...be interesting to hear an update.
Has the Wall Street Journal covered this aspect of ongoing Russian disinformation campaign ?
it’s being pushed 24/7 On Russia RT
Lardbeast
LE
Serious message - unfortunate Professor's surname...
Third of Covid patients discharged from hospital re-admitted in five months
One in eight Covid patients who are discharged from hospital die within 140 days - with patients suffering heart problems, diabetes, liver and kidney conditions
Interesting comments. Some folks wondering, as am I, about possible unreported underlying symptoms causing the hospital visit in the first place.
AsterixTG
LE
As always, they don't give you the demographics which would have contextualised everything - was discussing this with the wife last night.
My bet is they were the old, infirm or vulnerable with underlying issues in the first instance when they were first admitted - so were always going to have the hardest time anyway. Also, they might even have just carped it at their actual expected time purely because of age and underlying issues and they'd just happened to have been admitted before.
It's all guess work because, as usual, they've left out any relevant information and gone straight for the 'killer' headline.
undervalued
LE
I can't remember a time when "reporters" have been so lax with the facts.
Provost
LE
I keep telling you, it's just a bit of a sniffle!Serious message - unfortunate Professor's surname...
Third of Covid patients discharged from hospital re-admitted in five months
One in eight Covid patients who are discharged from hospital die within 140 days - with patients suffering heart problems, diabetes, liver and kidney conditions
(If there's such a thing at all).
No, I didn't have time to explain further but see the comment by @terminal
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/mers-coronavirus-warning.214505/page-1056#post-10532524
crow_bag
War Hero
How long ago was that? My wife had her first dose a couple of weeks ago, and she was given a card with the date of her next jab on it, 12 weeks later.
I wouldn’t put much faith in what the papers say, they’re just looking for a doom and gloom angle that they can hang onto to sell papers and, depending on the outlet, ramp up the Boris, grrrr!
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