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ancienturion

LE
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As it was explained to my missus. The first jab gives you 95% of the vaccine - Not its effectiveness, but dosage, the second jab gives you a booster.

So, assuming 60% effectivenss then that is what you get, but not the whole dose. How that affects effectiveness will be the work of maths folk

Assuming you get a second jab.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
She did, you get 2nd appoitment at the 1st, or at least she did

I was given a date then cancelled with no further notice. I understand now that there is no government guarantee that a second injection will be given according to the newspaper today.
 

no f in beer

War Hero
I was given a date then cancelled with no further notice. I understand now that there is no government guarantee that a second injection will be given according to the newspaper today.

Ah, newspaper, must be true. At least you have had the vaccine, just not the booster
 
The bit about "only start counting after vaccinations have been going for a while" seems to be extrapolated from "count the infection rate after 'x' number of cases" thing which everyone was doing in the spring in order to compare rates of increase in infections.

This was useful when comparing infection growth rates when the virus was arriving in different places several weeks apart, but it's not a useful way of comparing independent vaccination programs when the goal is to start as soon as possible and ramp up as quickly as possible.

As the article makes clear, the person who came up with this way of counting things is just trying to find a way of saving face after getting his predictions of Britain not being able to get vaccine supplies drastically wrong.

If anything however, the comparison used would seem to put the blame on the EU as it seems many of the individual countries can get jabs in arms provided they can get vaccine. The problem has been getting vaccine, and in the case of the EU, getting it approved.
 
As it was explained to my missus. The first jab gives you 95% of the vaccine - Not its effectiveness, but dosage, the second jab gives you a booster.

So, assuming 60% effectivenss then that is what you get, but not the whole dose. How that affects effectiveness will be the work of maths folk
So far as I am aware, the first and second doses are identical in terms of quantity and chemical composition. The first dose provides most of the effect in terms of activating your immune system, while the second dose adds a bit more on top of that to an immune system that is already primed to look for it.

We don't really know though just how the difference between having one dose and having two doses will be over the long run. We think we have a rough idea, but the data is not as firm as the original trials data. There haven't been any large scale studies of this, which is why manufacturers are recommending sticking to the particular schedule they used in their trials.

Follow up studies are being done on people who are being vaccinated now, and that will add to our knowledge and will be used to adjust schedules as time goes on.
 
Here is the COVID-19 summary for Monday.
Coronavirus: What's happening in Canada and around the world on Monday

France began vaccinating people over 75.
In Europe, France on Monday began a campaign to inoculate people over 75 against the coronavirus, as its death toll rose past 70,000 over the weekend.

The UK variant of the virus is taking hold in Belgium, with cases being reported in several schools and a nursing home.
The new variant of COVID-19 first detected in Britain is now starting to gain a foothold in Belgium, officials say, with cases reported in several northern schools on top of an outbreak in a nursing home.

In St. Moritz Switzerland, guests and employees at 2 luxury hotels are being quarantined, ski schools are being closed, and children are being kept at home following an outbreak there.
Officials in the Swiss mountain resort of St. Moritz quarantined employees and guests of two luxury hotels, closed ski schools and kept schoolchildren home from class on Monday after a dozen positive tests for a highly infectious coronavirus variant.

The outbreak in Hebei province in China continues to make the news as restrictions are tightened further. Few details are available, but the outbreak in this province which surrounds Beijing has been repeatedly reported on and so may be serious.
In Asia, a Chinese province grappling with a spike in coronavirus cases is reinstating tight restrictions on weddings, funerals and other family gatherings, threatening violators with criminal charges.

The notice from the high court in Hebei province did not give specifics but said all types of social gatherings were now being regulated to prevent further spread of the virus.

In the US, California has now topped 3 million cases, having reached 2 million only as recently as Christmas. They have had nearly 34,000 deaths so far.
In the Americas, California became the first U.S. state on Monday to record more than 3 million known COVID-19 infections, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. California only reached 2 million reported cases on Dec. 24 and has the highest count of any state. Nearly 34,000 deaths in the state have been attributed to the novel coronavirus.

Also in the US, they expect to see another 100,000 deaths in the next 5 weeks.
Incoming White House chief of staff Ron Klain says the coronavirus pandemic will get worse in the U.S. before it gets better, projecting another 100,000 deaths from COVID-19 in the first five weeks of president-elect Joe Biden's administration.

Brazil have approved the use of both the Sinovac CoronaVac (from China) and Oxford-AstraZenica vaccines. They have 6 million doses of the CoronaVac and 2 million doses of the Oxford vaccine already in Brazil awaiting this approval.
Brazil's health regulator on Sunday approved the urgent use of coronavirus vaccines made by Sinovac and AstraZeneca, enabling Latin America's largest nation to begin an immunization program that's been subject to months of delay and political disputes.

Brazil currently has six million doses of Sinovac's CoronaVac vaccine ready to distribute in the next few days and is awaiting the arrival of another two million doses of the vaccine made by AstraZeneca and partner Oxford University.

South Africa, who have not received any vaccines yet, say they have arranged for the supply of 9 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. There was no news on when this vaccine will actually be delivered there, and this vaccine will not be ready anywhere until March. According to other news reports it will be produced by subcontractors, one of whom is in South Africa. This is a one shot vaccine, so 6 million doses will cover 6 million people.
In Africa, South Africa, which has yet to receive its first coronavirus vaccine, has been promised nine million doses by Johnson & Johnson, the Business Day newspaper reported.
 
Spain doesn't buy in to this waiting so long for the second dose. The Min of Health has pointed out the number of positives in residential homes several weeks after the first dose and are concerned that a longer wait than recommended by the manufacturers could cause the body to build up an immunity before the second dose is given.
They are pressing ahead with giving the second vaccine 3 weeks after receiving the first dose rather than vaccinating as many as possible with the first one and then waiting.
Despite the low number of vaccines received this week in our area, the second dose at residential homes and front line health workers will continue with the second tranche of other health workers getting the first vaccine delayed until next week when Pfizer have said the supply chain will get back on track.

Pfizer originally said the disruption in supply would continue until the 15th Feb but have now said it will be back to normal by 25th Jan.

They say the first tranche of 2.5 million in care homes and front line medical staff will have received both doses of the vaccine by the middle of February with the second tranche being completed by the beginning of March.

ETA:
Medical staff getting a bit weary and cheesed off with some people. One doctor says that they are doing all these PCR tests on people with a few symptoms and then, if the test comes back positive, they try and contact the patient and are told they aren't at home because they've gone shopping or down at the bank.
He (or she) says it's the perfect storm when people don't self isolated until the results come back.
 
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Spain doesn't buy in to this waiting so long for the second dose. The Min of Health has pointed out the number of positives in residential homes several weeks after the first dose and are concerned that a longer wait than recommended by the manufacturers could cause the body to build up an immunity before the second dose is given.
They are pressing ahead with giving the second vaccine 3 weeks after receiving the first dose rather than vaccinating as many as possible with the first one and then waiting.
Despite the low number of vaccines received this week in our area, the second dose at residential homes and front line health workers will continue with the second tranche of other health workers getting the first vaccine delayed until next week when Pfizer have said the supply chain will get back on track.

Pfizer originally said the disruption in supply would continue until the 15th Feb but have now said it will be back to normal by 25th Jan.

They say the first tranche of 2.5 million in care homes and front line medical staff will have received both doses of the vaccine by the middle of February with the second tranche being completed by the beginning of March.
"They are pressing ahead with giving the second vaccine 3 weeks after receiving the first dose rather than vaccinating as many as possible with the first one and then waiting."
What now?
 

WightMivvi

War Hero
Medical staff getting a bit weary and cheesed off with some people. One doctor says that they are doing all these PCR tests on people with a few symptoms and then, if the test comes back positive, they try and contact the patient and are told they aren't at home because they've gone shopping or down at the bank.
He (or she) says it's the perfect storm when people don't self isolated until the results come back.
To be fair, stupidity is everywhere. Locally, we’ve had covid-positive people going shopping and getting on the ferries.
 
@terminal


Meanwhile turns out the Usual Suspects have an interest in bad-mouthing the cheapest available option:


A Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation.

View attachment 539715

Pictures, memes and video clips depicting the British-made vaccine as dangerous have been devised in Russia and middlemen are now seeking to “seed” the images on social media networks around the world.


The crude theme of the distorted images is that the vaccine, millions of doses of which will be manufactured by the pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca, could turn people into monkeys because it uses a chimpanzee virus as a vector.

The campaign is being targeted at countries where Russia wants to sell its own Sputnik V vaccine, as well as western nations.



Article dated October 2020...be interesting to hear an update.

Has the Wall Street Journal covered this aspect of ongoing Russian disinformation campaign ?
I saw eating more fruit and being really good at climbing as a bonus. I'm disappointed now.
 
@terminal


Meanwhile turns out the Usual Suspects have an interest in bad-mouthing the cheapest available option:


A Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation.

View attachment 539715

Pictures, memes and video clips depicting the British-made vaccine as dangerous have been devised in Russia and middlemen are now seeking to “seed” the images on social media networks around the world.


The crude theme of the distorted images is that the vaccine, millions of doses of which will be manufactured by the pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca, could turn people into monkeys because it uses a chimpanzee virus as a vector.

The campaign is being targeted at countries where Russia wants to sell its own Sputnik V vaccine, as well as western nations.



Article dated October 2020...be interesting to hear an update.

Has the Wall Street Journal covered this aspect of ongoing Russian disinformation campaign ?


it’s being pushed 24/7 On Russia RT
 
Interesting comments. Some folks wondering, as am I, about possible unreported underlying symptoms causing the hospital visit in the first place.
As always, they don't give you the demographics which would have contextualised everything - was discussing this with the wife last night.

My bet is they were the old, infirm or vulnerable with underlying issues in the first instance when they were first admitted - so were always going to have the hardest time anyway. Also, they might even have just carped it at their actual expected time purely because of age and underlying issues and they'd just happened to have been admitted before.

It's all guess work because, as usual, they've left out any relevant information and gone straight for the 'killer' headline.
 

crow_bag

War Hero
I was given a date then cancelled with no further notice. I understand now that there is no government guarantee that a second injection will be given according to the newspaper today.
How long ago was that? My wife had her first dose a couple of weeks ago, and she was given a card with the date of her next jab on it, 12 weeks later.

I wouldn’t put much faith in what the papers say, they’re just looking for a doom and gloom angle that they can hang onto to sell papers and, depending on the outlet, ramp up the Boris, grrrr!
 

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