Merkel joins UKIP

Well that's one less issue that we need to try and re-negotiate so we can bring forward the referendum by a month or two.

What Dopey Dave needs to do now is flag up each EU issue he wants to negotiate. As our EU Masters tell us "Non, Nein, Oki, hay negociación" we should say, " fine, that needs even less time to discuss changes - bring forward the referendum"

At the current rate they are telling us that we, as a sovereign nation, cannot discuss terms we should be able to go to the polls next week.
 
Those Brussels Commie Commizzars adn others in the Eurine Lands Politburo perhaps will ask us lot, Perfidious Albions to "Drink up, and leave the Klub EUSSR!". Of course there will be howls from Scotland over this. So there could be the proverbial Bum's Rush out of the Euro-Bar for us. But then, did we really ever have our minds focussed on being "Good little EU citizens to do as we were told?" One thinks not perhaps.

Those of us who put our crosses on the Common Market referendum back in 1975 were for a block of nations trading with each other, not a gradual 'morphing' into some political superstate or a federation of some sort. Of course we the public had been lied to about this side of the gradual process, not only by our own UK politicians, but those in the Common Market/EU when they were asked about this.

Now, we definitely know where they want to go....a Greater Europe, dominated by Germany, and possibly eventually ruled from Germany as they may demand that all the EU's institutions and parliament are move from Brussels and Strasbourg to be nearer or located in Greater Berlin and the German Reichkancellery and Reichstag. But one jests about this.

"He who pays the Piper, calls the tune!"
 

Wordsmith

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Book Reviewer
Merkel is trying to put the genie back in the bottle. The EU had been billed on the continent as a one way trip to full political and economic union. If the UK renegotiates its terms, every other country will be trying the same thing.

And never forget Germany is one of the biggest winners out of the eurozone. Unlike France and Italy, who would surely love to do some renegotiation themselves,

Wordsmith
 

alib

LE
German immigration is at a high at the moment so if Merkel isn't biting now she never will.


Germans these days tend to worry increasingly about their shrinking work force.

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Demographers make a simple calculation: Germany can only preserve its economic strength if immigration exceeds emigration by 400,000 people each year. This would have to continue for several years. Otherwise, as the OECD warns, the working population will shrink more dramatically in Germany than in any other industrialized country.
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Link.

The same is true in the UK to an extent though it hasn't been as profligate in failing to breed as the hard holidaying Krauts.

This makes Dave's pandering to UKIP about almost non-existent EU benefit tourism even more of a hard sell. After all how the UK choses to configure its social safety net is still largely in Dave's control not Brussels.

Labour mobility is a mixed deal. The low wage, low productivity economy that the UK has sought may produce relatively high employment and will be a magnet when times are hard in the EU. She certainly isn't going to facilitate any UK scheme to rig the game so the UK can cream off the best of the migrant labour that aging Germany is increasingly desperate for. The UK losing easy access to migrant labour would be an upside of a Brexit for Germany.

Ironically where Dave might find some support on migrant labour is building in states that are a source of it like Poland, Greece and Spain where the loss of revenues and young talent to the UK and Germany is becoming an increasing problem. They lose perhaps a third of these expensively educated people permanently to far richer and in the UK's case one with a much younger population and a lower proportion of OAPs to support. Though Dave might eventually find himself with a large bill for what is really free riding on other EU nation's better trained and eagerly mobile workforces.
 
Just adds a few thousand more votes to UKIP in the next GE. If Merkel secretly wants the UK out of Europe,she's doing a pretty good job so far!
At this rate UKIP won't need to canvas for votes at the GE, just decide who they want to form the coalition with.
 
I suspect this is a show for German and EU consumption slapping the perfidious ones though it does sort of say who's running Europe.
Was there ever any doubt about who is running Europe these days.

Speaking as an outsider, the UK's main complaint is that it's not the UK running the European Empire. Which is probably for the best since the German economy is under pressure trying to shore up the Euro. Merkel cannot be that blasé about the departure of the EU's third largest economy. Apart from anything else it would set a dangerous precedent. Angie is probably bluffing at the moment.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
This makes Dave's pandering to UKIP about almost non-existent EU benefit tourism even more of a hard sell. After all how the UK choses to configure its social safety net is still largely in Dave's control not Brussels.
Which makes you wonder why he is not bringing forward legislation to that effect. Actually doing something rather than just talking about it would do something towards neutralising UKIP.
Ironically where Dave might find some support on migrant labour is building in states that are a source of it like Poland, Greece and Spain where the loss of revenues and young talent to the UK and Germany is becoming an increasing problem. They lose perhaps a third of these expensively educated people permanently to far richer and in the UK's case one with a much younger population and a lower proportion of OAPs to support.
Which frankly is the sort of migrant we want. They come and are very employable, so start paying into the tax system. It's the unskilled that are more problematic. I'd stop them coming in as they are more of a drain than a benefit. And I'd tighten up our own benefit system to get some of our long term unemployed off of it and onto minimum wage jobs.

Wordsmith
 

Gout Man

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All his free movement of Labour does know one any good except the migrants from the poorer countries.
The ones that come here and work do not, contribute to this countries well being, they are on the whole in low paid jobs, their money is made up with benefits and tax credits.

By the time you take into account the amount it costs in education for their kids, what they take out of the NHS, and child benefit and the burden they place on the housing stock then the sooner we put up the shutters the better.
 
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Was there ever any doubt about who is running Europe these days.

Speaking as an outsider, the UK's main complaint is that it's not the UK running the European Empire. Which is probably for the best since the German economy is under pressure trying to shore up the Euro. Merkel cannot be that blasé about the departure of the EU's third largest economy. Apart from anything else it would set a dangerous precedent. Angie is probably bluffing at the moment.
As an outsider you have sort of hit the nail on the head one country is leading Europe, Europe was going to be an economic union, a common market where all were equal not some sort of 21st century "fremdarbeiter" scheme. I actually don't think the UK would like to be seen as the leader of Europe although if it were It would be a damn sight fairer and less corrupt.
By the way I don't think Merkel bluffs but she does bully.
 

ericthellama

War Hero
It was interesting listening to Michael O'Leary of Ryanair this morning on R4 about the 'stay or go' issue. He said it wouldn't make any difference to them either way. What made me chuckle was his reference to our 'independence' as opposed to the 'Franco/German Communist' option (EU). For once I was glad for his run-away mouth.

The more I look into the EU, the more I realise how European Integration is at the core of it and always has been. The complete failure of our politicians and media to engage with the fundamental principal of a Federal Europe has left most of the population in the dark. Merkel is just telling it like it is, and I admire her honesty. It will however make the choice for many of us easier come the referendum.

The need for immigrants has been flagged at UN level and at EU level, and as I posted elsewhere :

Peter Sutherland, the UN’s special representative for migration, told peers the future prosperity of many EU states depended on them becoming multicultural. He also suggested the UK government’s immigration policy had no basis in international law.

He told the House of Lords committee migration was a “crucial dynamic for economic growth” in some EU nations “however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens of those states”.

He told the committee: “The United States, or Australia and New Zealand, are migrant societies and therefore they accommodate more readily those from other backgrounds than we do ourselves, who still nurse a sense of our homogeneity and difference from others."

“And that’s precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing its best to undermine.”


The issue of migration is all to do with money. The difficulty the multicultural model creates in accepting the migrants, is that we are expected to embrace diverse populations who don't share our values, an appreciation of our history, or of the price generations have paid to make this such a prosperous and safe place to be. Even Merkel acknowledged that the multicultural approach hasn't worked when she said :

"This multicultural approach, saying that we simply live side by side happily with each other has failed. Utterly failed."

The intellectual and political elite may have opened the door for migration, and insisted upon multiculturalism as the model, but it's Joe Public who lives next to door to, and lives with the consequences. I think that largely, Joe Public agrees with Mrs Merkel on its failure.
 

alib

LE
Which makes you wonder why he is not bringing forward legislation to that effect. Actually doing something rather than just talking about it would do something towards neutralising UKIP.


Which frankly is the sort of migrant we want. They come and are very employable, so start paying into the tax system. It's the unskilled that are more problematic. I'd stop them coming in as they are more of a drain than a benefit. And I'd tighten up our own benefit system to get some of our long term unemployed off of it and onto minimum wage jobs.

Wordsmith
Dave could easily reconfigure lots of UK benefits to be more conditional on having paid stamp. That's the way it works most places in Schengen. You work for six months and then you are covered for periods of unemployment etc. Usually much more generously than you are in the UK.

This might appease voters who are under the delusion that hordes of foreigners are getting a free ride at their expense but there's really little evidence that this would make any difference to the volume of EU immigration which is all about unemployment differentials.

The UK could also try to wean itself away from creating so many effectively tax payer subsidized minimum wage jobs and work on its terrible productivity problems. It's fast becoming an employer coddling country of the working poor. Neither can actually fend for themselves without substantial state assistance. This would involve some self reflection of course. It's easier to simply fume about it and blame Brussels.

At some point the EZ will recover or the UK will crash it's going to face a damaging flight of the migrant labour its becoming dependent on. It's not just skilled labour but hard semi-skilled jobs like farm work that the UK work force seems unfit for. States in the US with large populations of illegal migrant labour that implemented self deportation policies have found native workers just were not up to back breaking days of peasant labour. What you'll end up with is a contraction of jobs and a pool of practically unemployable native no-skill workers yielding no revenue base.

Rather simpler than trying to change fundamental parts of the EU treaties that benefit its most powerful members and will do so increasingly obviously as their populations age.
 
This makes Dave's pandering to UKIP about almost non-existent EU benefit tourism even more of a hard sell. After all how the UK choses to configure its social safety net is still largely in Dave's control not Brussels.
Really ? The c.4,000 Roma in my home town, as featured on TV recently, made it f**king clear that they preferred the UK as a destination because of what they got for free. If that's not Benefit tourism then what is ?
 

alib

LE
As an outsider you have sort of hit the nail on the head one country is leading Europe, Europe was going to be an economic union, a common market where all were equal not some sort of 21st century "fremdarbeiter" scheme. I actually don't think the UK would like to be seen as the leader of Europe although if it were It would be a damn sight fairer and less corrupt.
By the way I don't think Merkel bluffs but she does bully.
If the UK was anywhere near the levers of power in the EU it would rig the game to suit itself just as the Germans do. That's essentially what Dave desperately trying to appear to do while the UK is punching way under its weight largely due to its habitual attitude of sulking helplessly in Brussels orbit. Even the pipsqueak RoI uses its influence more effectively.
 
Angela may soon have a lot more in common with Dave. Does this sound familiar?

Eurosceptics in the European Union are growing in strength. The German party Alternative for Germany (AfD) was on the verge of entering the German Bundestag after the national elections in September 2013, even though it was founded just a few months earlier. Shortly afterwards, in May 2014, the party got into the European Parliament. Now it has achieved another success, getting into the state parliaments of Brandenburg and Thuringia.

The successes of the party cause great concern to the German political scene. The AfD attracted many voters from the established parties, among others from German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian-Democratic party (CDU). The AfD appeals to some conservative voters who think that Angela Merkel has moved too far to the centre.

The party flourished during the wave of crisis in the eurozone because of the concerns of part of the Germans from having to rescue the indebted countries of southern Europe. The party is opposed to the European banking union and advocates the exclusion from the eurozone of countries with ailing economies. This is the first time that an anti-euro party has won seats in a German state parliament.
http://euranetplus-inside.eu/germanys-eurosceptics-surge-in-regional-elections/
 

alib

LE
Really ? The c.4,000 Roma in my home town, as featured on TV recently, made it f**king clear that they preferred the UK as a destination because of what they got for free. If that's not Benefit tourism then what is ?
Well you get all those hard working Poles pumping up the UK tax base you have to expect some Roma in the mix. The way Article 45 works is you don't get to cherry pick. Overwhelmingly the Eastern Roma flitted to Spain to be near kin, the UK despite the quirks of its benefit system got nowhere near its fair share of lucky heather sales persons, just count yourself lucky.
 
I don't think it matters a **** about who is paying what...what matters is having a clear mandate from the electorate to make these fundamental changes. That has never been sought and we are now seeing a backlash. The next twat to call me a racist had better be prepared to have an "on the cobbles interview", cnuts.
 
It's sad that it is coming to this.
The EU as a trading organisation is an awesome idea, and as a business owner I'm very much in favour of the ease in which I can do business.
What reeks is the forced federalisation that has been pushed through in the past 15-20 years. This is not what my parents signed up for in the 70's. This kind of thing - if at all - should have been done slowly over generations ensuring that steps were taken slowly and all parties could adopt in their own time.
As it stands we have an EU where democracy is practiced in much the same way that countries who have to include the words 'Democratic', 'Peoples' and 'Free' in their titles. At best it is the illusion of democracy where the peoples of the members states have zero control over what goes on and the eurocrats can operate with complete impunity.
I don't want us to leave the EU but I can't see what alternatives, bar us actually being allowed to renegotiate our position, are.
 

Cynical

LE
Book Reviewer
Just a thought, but UKIP seems to be making it increasingly unlikely that Labour will hit the 35% of the vote it needs to win (assuming that Millibland doesn't balls up Scotland, which if course he has).

CMD is may things, some good and some bad. But he is a canny politician. Few Labour voters will switch to Conservative, but many are moving to UKIP.

If SNP do well in Scotland (which seems to be on cards) and UKIP grabs a few from Labour the Dave is home and dry as either minority government or in coalition with UKIP (which would, inevitably, split out the Tory Europhiles). This may not be great, but its a lot better than bloody socialists.

EU's €2.1 billion bill plus Angela = Britexit.
 

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