MERITORIOUS SERVICE MEDAL

#1
MY FATEHER DID 32 YEARS IN THE ARMY AND LEFT WITH AN MSM (AMONGST OTHER MEDALS). HE HAD TO COMPLETE 28 YERAS IMPECCABLE SERVICE TO ATTAIN THIS AWARD. NOWADAYS YOU ONLY HAVE TO COMPLETE 18. PLEASE COULD SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME AS TO WHY THIS IS. I FEEL THAT IS DEBASING THE "WORTHINESS AND RECOGNITION" OF THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF ALL MSM WINNERS (NO DISRESPECT TO THE 18 YEAR WINNERS).
 
#2
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
 
#3
I believe it's actually 27 years service, and it is possible to be awarded one as an officer, providing that the citation is written against previous service as a SNCO.

When the medal was introduced in 1845, it came with an annual annuity, which limits the number of recipients in any one year. Currently, just over half of the medals go un-awarded (my bad) due to lack of citations - or it could be that we simply don't have enough truly deserving SNCOs - which I don't believe for one minute!

In 1951, the rules were changed slightly - it is now possible to be awarded an MSM - but the annuity is paid as and when the funds become available.

As the saying goes - you've got to be in it to win it! :D

Well done to your dad, by the way, Fablon.
 
#5
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
 
#6
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
Did your father get this award for not writing in upper-case all the time? Was he able to resist the temptation to write like a troll on websites, levelling thinly veiled, ill-researched comments relating to the case of some WO2/WO1 he once heard of?

Have you considered the use of the "Caps Lock" key in order to secure yourself a decoration?
 
#7
It appears QR's must have changed as two recipents of MSM's on this years list are known to me personally. Both are WO1's and both are RSM's. Common link for both individuals is that both have in excess of 18years service and both have less than 22. Both have been selected for the highest WO1 slots available for the respective cap badges and more to the point both are outstanding soldiers who stand out amongst their peers. In short regardless of anyone elses opinon they both deserve the award they have been given.
 
#8
Baldrick66 said:
It appears QR's must have changed as two recipents of MSM's on this years list are known to me personally. Both are WO1's and both are RSM's. Common link for both individuals is that both have in excess of 18years service and both have less than 22. Both have been selected for the highest WO1 slots available for the respective cap badges and more to the point both are outstanding soldiers who stand out amongst their peers. In short regardless of anyone elses opinon they both deserve the award they have been given.
I am sure that is right about the award being fully merited.

According to my copy of QRs (to Amdt 26), the requirements to be nominated for MSM include having in excess of 20 yrs reckonable service with the Colours, not including commissioned service. Para 5.392.
 
#9
hellfyyr said:
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
Did your father get this award for not writing in upper-case all the time? Was he able to resist the temptation to write like a troll on websites, levelling thinly veiled, ill-researched comments relating to the case of some WO2/WO1 he once heard of?

Have you considered the use of the "Caps Lock" key in order to secure yourself a decoration?
thats a real helpful post,
 
#11
hellfyyr said:
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
Did your father get this award for not writing in upper-case all the time? Was he able to resist the temptation to write like a troll on websites, levelling thinly veiled, ill-researched comments relating to the case of some WO2/WO1 he once heard of?

Have you considered the use of the "Caps Lock" key in order to secure yourself a decoration?
No but at least I can trace my family tree further back than the milkman!!!!!!!!!
 
#12
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
hellfyyr said:
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
Did your father get this award for not writing in upper-case all the time? Was he able to resist the temptation to write like a troll on websites, levelling thinly veiled, ill-researched comments relating to the case of some WO2/WO1 he once heard of?

Have you considered the use of the "Caps Lock" key in order to secure yourself a decoration?
No but at least I can trace my family tree further back than the milkman!!!!!!!!!
I am just amazed that you have found the Caps Lock key you fecking mutant. As for the the attempts to annoy me with comments about my family, you are clearly a 16 year old CCF cadet if that is the best you can do lol!
 
#16
Gentlemen,

To bring this conversation back in to perspective, the criteria for eligibility for the MSM is 20 years service, minimumum rank of Sub Sgt and a holder of the LS&GC. This does not mean that everyone in that bracket is automatically up for selection for the MSM.

The MSM is the top soldier award for Meritorious Service, we are talking the top slot. Not necissarily RSM, not necessarily potential LE Officer but those individuals that give everything to their soldiers, always lead by example, set standards that are irreproachable and generally live Army.

There are only 89 available medals every year for the Army and for the last few years not all of them have been issued. Last year only about 25 were issued, which only raises the value of the medal.

The medal is applied for on the F Hons 776 in exactly the same way as someone is put forward for a Queen's Honour; This is then filtered at Bde, then Div and finally at the Army Medal office.

Basically if you met someone with an MSM and generally they won't tell you that they have it - treat them with respect.

That is all.
 
#17
canteen_cowboy said:
hellfyyr said:
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
Did your father get this award for not writing in upper-case all the time? Was he able to resist the temptation to write like a troll on websites, levelling thinly veiled, ill-researched comments relating to the case of some WO2/WO1 he once heard of?

Have you considered the use of the "Caps Lock" key in order to secure yourself a decoration?
thats a real helpful post,
CC mate what did you expect from him in all honesty? :?
 
#18
Noelie2000 said:
Gentlemen,

To bring this conversation back in to perspective, the criteria for eligibility for the MSM is 20 years service, minimumum rank of Sub Sgt and a holder of the LS&GC. This does not mean that everyone in that bracket is automatically up for selection for the MSM.

The MSM is the top soldier award for Meritorious Service, we are talking the top slot. Not necissarily RSM, not necessarily potential LE Officer but those individuals that give everything to their soldiers, always lead by example, set standards that are irreproachable and generally live Army.

There are only 89 available medals every year for the Army and for the last few years not all of them have been issued. Last year only about 25 were issued, which only raises the value of the medal.

The medal is applied for on the F Hons 776 in exactly the same way as someone is put forward for a Queen's Honour; This is then filtered at Bde, then Div and finally at the Army Medal office.

Basically if you met someone with an MSM and generally they won't tell you that they have it - treat them with respect.

That is all.
to be honest since the original "option for change" I doubt we will see many receipitants MSM of the those that we do see, do deserve respect IMHO. even for the fact they managed to avoid MCM for 20 years :wink:
spelling is crap...
 
#19
Hitlerwasabitnaughty said:
canteen_cowboy said:
hellfyyr said:
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
The Lord Flasheart said:
The Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the MSM must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
Unless its changed?
MY FATHER IS NOW A PARASITE SORRY CIVILIANN WORKING FOR THE MOD ABROAD AND HE KNOWS OF A CERTAIN PERSON WHO HOLDS HER MAJESTY'S WARRANT (WO2/1) WHO HAS BEEN AWARDED IT FOR 18 YEARS SERVICE. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE WO2/1 CONCERNED IF ANYONE KNOWS HIM/HER.
Did your father get this award for not writing in upper-case all the time? Was he able to resist the temptation to write like a troll on websites, levelling thinly veiled, ill-researched comments relating to the case of some WO2/WO1 he once heard of?

Have you considered the use of the "Caps Lock" key in order to secure yourself a decoration?
thats a real helpful post,
CC mate what did you expect from him in all honesty? :?
There are a lot of cnuts on here lately; if I had posted like that I would expect to be ripped, a lot of you (MODs included) are clicky as feck...
 
#20
hellfyyr said:
There are a lot of cnuts on here lately; if I had posted like that I would expect to be ripped, a lot of you (MODs included) are clicky as feck...
Hellfyyr - I never post in here - not my Mess - but I cannot ignore such a feeble minded post as yours.

Fablon posted in good faith - was corrected in a reasonable manner by Flash (and me, late as usual) and all was well with the world.

Until you started this pointless flaming about Fablon being 16 years old and typing in CAPS. Do you read aloud? Did it really warrant your post? I'm voting 'No'...

As for the charge of Mods being 'cliquey' (note spelling, Hellfyyr), I utterly refute that, as it assumes that all Mods are unthinking robots who unconsciously follow some programmed party line. I assure you that is not the case - our strength lies in our very differences as people and Mods.

If you have a chip on your shoulder because you feel you should be a Mod (for some unknown reason), I suggest that you have displayed your true colours in this thread, and I am not afraid to state for the record that I will blackball you, should such a ludicrous suggestion as your 'Modship' come to light.

If you don't like being told to 'wind it in' by a Mod - who are chosen by the site admins and the Mod peer group to serve in the best interests of all ARRSErs - then please feel free to join another site.

Everyone else: please do not turn this into an 'anti-Mod' thread now - take it to the NAAFI - not here in this - or indeed any - Mess. Cheers! :D
 

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