Meritorious Service Medal (MSM),

#1
Hi All

I am looking for the offcial line on the MSM, I know the qualification period has dropped, but I do need to know what QR's say word for word. For example, if someone was eligble when serving but didnt get recommended, and then left the service, is he still eligble?
Anyone help?

For Info note the minimum period has now changed to 24 years: That means any ex boy soldier with 2 years service (7-8 terms) and then 22 years adult service are eligble.
Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the Meritorial service medal (MSM) must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
 

OldSnowy

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#2
Try this, from AGAIs

68.016. The qualifying conditions for the award of the MSM are contained in QR(Army) para 5.392 and paras 10.006 - 10.007. Recommendations are to be made on F/Hons/776 and submitted, through division/district and command headquarters for prior approval, to the Army Medal Office (AMO), accompanied by an up to date photocopy of the candidate’s regimental conduct sheet (AF B120). The supporting approval of at least general officer commanding (GOC), or two star equivalents, is necessary for this award.

68.017. The number of awards to Army candidates is restricted to 89 annually. The Army Medal Board (AMB) considers all recommendations. It is essential that the citation on F/Hons/776 states in detail the meritorious and valuable service performed by the candidate which makes him eligible to be considered for the award. Further guidance concerning the raising of a citation can be found at QR(Army), para 5.392
 
#4
OldSnowy said:
Try this, from AGAIs

68.016. The qualifying conditions for the award of the MSM are contained in QR(Army) para 5.392 and paras 10.006 - 10.007. Recommendations are to be made on F/Hons/776 and submitted, through division/district and command headquarters for prior approval, to the Army Medal Office (AMO), accompanied by an up to date photocopy of the candidate’s regimental conduct sheet (AF B120). The supporting approval of at least general officer commanding (GOC), or two star equivalents, is necessary for this award.

68.017. The number of awards to Army candidates is restricted to 89 annually. The Army Medal Board (AMB) considers all recommendations. It is essential that the citation on F/Hons/776 states in detail the meritorious and valuable service performed by the candidate which makes him eligible to be considered for the award. Further guidance concerning the raising of a citation can be found at QR(Army), para 5.392
Thanks Snowy
I take it from AGAIS that you still have be serving, I have my (clean) AFB120 but I now left the service, I can even get a 2* to write me up, but it looks like you still have to be doing your thing(that I dont miss)
Thanks for the info
 
#6
emptyeye said:
Hi All

I am looking for the offcial line on the MSM, I know the qualification period has dropped, but I do need to know what QR's say word for word. For example, if someone was eligble when serving but didnt get recommended, and then left the service, is he still eligble?
Anyone help?

For Info note the minimum period has now changed to 24 years: That means any ex boy soldier with 2 years service (7-8 terms) and then 22 years adult service are eligble.
Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the Meritorial service medal (MSM) must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
emptyeye, commiserations if nothing can be done but I hope that you feel you are getting fast and useful answers (OS's post seen). The nature of this well-respected award is that more people deserve it than actually get it.

Just for clarification, the rules may have changed again but when I last saw them, service below age of 17.5 years did NOT count and the minimum period of reckonable service was 20 yrs (plus 'irreproachable conduct', LS&GC and, crucially, the recommendation). There is a very recent thread on this subject in another forum.
 
#7
hackle said:
emptyeye said:
Hi All

I am looking for the offcial line on the MSM, I know the qualification period has dropped, but I do need to know what QR's say word for word. For example, if someone was eligble when serving but didnt get recommended, and then left the service, is he still eligble?
Anyone help?

For Info note the minimum period has now changed to 24 years: That means any ex boy soldier with 2 years service (7-8 terms) and then 22 years adult service are eligble.
Queen's Regulations (1975) denote that recipients of the Meritorial service medal (MSM) must have completed a minimum of 27 years' service, been awarded the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal and must have performed good, faithful, valuable and meritorious service with conduct judged to be irreproachable.
emptyeye, commiserations if nothing can be done but I hope that you feel you are getting fast and useful answers (OS's post seen). The nature of this well-respected award is that more people deserve it than actually get it.

Just for clarification, the rules may have changed again but when I last saw them, service below age of 17.5 years did NOT count and the minimum period of reckonable service was 20 yrs (plus 'irreproachable conduct', LS&GC and, crucially, the recommendation). There is a very recent thread on this subject in another forum.
Well if its 20 years then its better, but having just spoken to a serving WO1 friend of mine,(who didnt get it) his pen picture wasnt up to the mark, although written up by a full Colonel and endorsed by a 2* he still didnt get it. Maybe coz money is involved, I dunno, they do say its the poor mans MBE.
Any ideas where the recent thread was?
 
#8
emptyeye said:
hackle said:
...Just for clarification, the rules may have changed again but when I last saw them, service below age of 17.5 years did NOT count and the minimum period of reckonable service was 20 yrs (plus 'irreproachable conduct', LS&GC and, crucially, the recommendation). There is a very recent thread on this subject in another forum.
Well if its 20 years then its better, but having just spoken to a serving WO1 friend of mine,(who didnt get it) his pen picture wasnt up to the mark, although written up by a full Colonel and endorsed by a 2* he still didnt get it. Maybe coz money is involved, I dunno, they do say its the poor mans MBE.
Any ideas where the recent thread was?
Now I remember... it got moved to the NAAFI Bar! But still worth having a look.
 
#9
hackle said:
emptyeye said:
hackle said:
...Just for clarification, the rules may have changed again but when I last saw them, service below age of 17.5 years did NOT count and the minimum period of reckonable service was 20 yrs (plus 'irreproachable conduct', LS&GC and, crucially, the recommendation). There is a very recent thread on this subject in another forum.
Well if its 20 years then its better, but having just spoken to a serving WO1 friend of mine,(who didnt get it) his pen picture wasnt up to the mark, although written up by a full Colonel and endorsed by a 2* he still didnt get it. Maybe coz money is involved, I dunno, they do say its the poor mans MBE.
Any ideas where the recent thread was?
Now I remember... it got moved to the NAAFI Bar! But still worth having a look.
Thanks
208 pages to get through, Ill give it a miss for today unless you know exactly where in the NAAFI bar it is?
 
#12
The MSM is a difficult award to obtain. I can only recall one recipient during my service.
The late RSM 'Geordie' Laidlaw DCM of the KOSB excellent soldier and wonderful man. Older members may remember him as RSM of 1KOSB in the mid 1960s and RSM of the School of Infantry at Warminster in the 1970s he went on to become QM of a Bn of the Lowland Volunteers.
 
#13
I was awarded an MSM this year after 22 years. My 'write up' was done by a Lt Col (my CO) and not a 2 * as reported in the link.
 
#15
Very nice thread. I am in the process of applying for my late fathers service records. Was wondering about this medal and I think its wrong that people dont get it automaticly as I cant see that many people making the qualifing criteria every year. Also think its wrong that medals that are authorised after leaving the service are not given to recipients and you have to chase them
 

ugly

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#16
I certainly remember in the 1980's being paraded to see an older retired suit get what may have been one of the empire medals, awarding them afterwards therefore is not a problem, we managed it before computers ran the system!
 
#17
Was left my grandfather's rack (including an MSM) in his will. Disappointed that I haven't been able to track down a copy of the recommendation in his service record. Interestingly his father was also awarded an MSM but his medals have disappeared off the face of the earth!
 

oldbaldy

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#19
Just found out my grandfather was awarded msm during ww1. London gazette 1918
Relative of mine got one in WW1, citation was on his medal card.
 
#20
The Army MSM is probably one of the most confusing awards there is. Prior to WWI it was purely an annuity award, i.e. it came with a cash payout. These were restricted as the pot was limited. There was a sizable waiting list for vacancies to occur through natural wastage. It was essentially a medal for the very long serving NCO.

In 1916 someone decided to split the medal into a separate branch of 'immediate' award for gallantry or valuable service not in direct action with the enemy - despite there being other suitable awards already in place. These immediate awards were a joint service award for soldiers, marines and sailors serving under army authority and were gazetted, whereas the annuity MSMs were not. The immediate awards continued up until 1928 when they were discontinued.

The annuity awards, however, continued and the waiting list grew. The regulations changed periodically as to how many could be awarded as the annuity pot increased, but the waiting list was still larger than the fund. In 1953 George VI decreed that all those on the waiting list should get their medal but without the annuity. There were some seriously old and bold types from the Victorian era who suddenly found themselves getting presented a medal long after their service discharge. This is the only occasion that ex-servicemen received MSMs.

The Andrew, Booties and crab air had their own MSMs. These were long gone by 1977 when the MSM had a revamp - becoming a joint-service award... again. The last cash payouts occurred sometime in the early '80s and it is now purely a gizzit for above and beyond service. It is non-retrospective. You have to be recommended for it. One simply cannot 'apply' for it. It is more of an honour - though it is not classed as such. It's basically the regular equivalent of the QVRM - which is an honour.

A mate of mine had a bullet-proof recommendation written up by someone quite high up the food chain, but the MSM committee decided that it wasn't bullet-proof enough and thus no gong materialised. Quite what you have to do to get one is something of a mystery, but it probably involves massive amounts of:
  • arse licking
  • being in the right place
  • ... at the right time
  • always saying yes
  • charidee work
  • having sufficient time in
  • all of the above
Simply being a top bloke and being brilliant at your job is simply not enough. MBEs are far easier to get hold of compared to the MSM. It's one of the few non-gallantry awards that is still respected for what it is. You will not find it left in the boss's desk for months or in your pigeon hole.
 
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