*Merged* Scottish Independence Threads

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  1. 16 year olds close to getting a one-off vote on Independence.
    Can't buy fags (too young)....can't buy booze (too young)...can't vote in local or national elections(too young)..can't serve in adult units or deploy on ops (too young) get caught with a topless photo of the type common in the sun years ago.... (child porn)....the list goes on and on. However, wee eck seems to think that their very immaturity and lack of experience/judgement makes them perfect voting fodder for the SNP. I don't think any more evidence is required of their unfitness for office ( assuming any more was needed). Mind you Cameron is a knob for leaving it on the table.
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  2. Salmond has been on about this for a while. Head to Glasgow, Aberdeen, Dundee, Kirkcaldy or any number of Scottish cities and you will see the 16 year old neds wandering about, track suited up, bottle of Buckie in their hands. These are the idiots he is pinning his hopes on. They think the SNP will be their saviours and its the "English c**nts" fault that they don't have a job. Infact, everything is the Englishes fault so they will vote SNP just for the hell of it.

    Would not surprise me if the SNP stood outside the polling stations with free methadone or buckfast for anyone voting!

    They won't recognise the real issues in Scotland with drink and drugs, they come up with half arsed laws about minimum pricing for booze yet my local Tesco has 6 cans of 3.8% larger for £1. Something to do with a the minimum price only applying to 4% or more.

    Its all smoke and mirrors, every last promise, aimed at the young, disenchanted yoof of Scotland.

    Not sure any of the other parties are much better, but the SNP are wee sleeked beasties!
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  3. The vote is not to keep SNP in power, its a yes or no for Scottish Independence.
    Some other parties and Labour SMPs are pushing for yes as well.
    The young folk are being encouraged to have a vote, its not compulsary
  4. I did not know it was compulsory for anyone?

    As only 30-40% of the population bothered to vote last time around I would have thought it was more important to get those folk voting rather than trying to encourage "kids" to have a say.
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  5. I'm all for it, let Scotland **** off and sit on their own pile of debt.
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  6. Interesting that the parties most in favour of 16 year olds voting, are the same parties who can't get votes any other way, SNP, Lib-Dems, I would guess the green parties are in favour.

    My eldest is now 18, I would trust her judgement now, two years ago whoever Simon Cowell promoted would get the vote.

    The age should be put back to 21, and the minimum age for MPs should be 40.
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  7. As one of the diaspora I am saddened by what is going on in Scotland. Regular visits "home" show this mass disenfranchised you speak of but wait... There are an awful lot of incomers that are pushing for this as well. Scotland for the Scots NO, breakaway and get as much as we can now YES. Independance is a terrifying thought. Not just for Scotland but it should be for the rest of us. My Dad voted for a common market as he understood it, not a European Union as we now have to contend with. I fear Scotland is in the same position. 10-20 yrs down the line who knows what state they will be in.
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  8. Fang_Farrier

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    This is not new, Lib Dems have also wanted 16/17 years old to vote for a while, only doing some back tracking now it's for independence.

    And as far as aware, not just for this, once started it will not be repealed, it will be each and every election thereafter.

    Have a look at the supporters here, votes at 16 coalition members | Votes at 16 Lib Dem, Electoral Reform Society, Young Labour, Liberty, Bernardo's, The Liberal Party, NUS, Scottish Greens, Plaid Cymru, and Labour. Only ones not listed are Tories.
  9. It doesn't really matter what age you make the voting age, some people vote responsibly on the issues as they see them and others don't. There's no reason to suppose that a 16 year old studying politics at school will vote any better or worse than their Mum or Dad who vote for that nice Mr Salmond because he seems such a nice bloke.

    When Blair was voted in he was swept in on a massive anti-Tory feeling. People didn't vote for his policies because the only ones that he had put forward were touchy-feely ones like banning fox-hunting. Probably why we were financially ruined by the end of Labour's term, once they'd banned fox hunting they were stifled.
  10. For a question of this magnitude it should be though.

    It should require a 75% in favour on a turn out of at least 85% of the eligible voters.

    Now who would be classed as an eligible voter could be a bit of a problem what with all the English and other unwanted types that live there and then there are all the "native" jocks who have left but still think they should have a vote - ad naseum.
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  11. Fang_Farrier

    Fang_Farrier LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    It's actually very interesting when you hear the SNP, they don't refer to Scots, they say "The People of Scotland". It's obviouslt a policy decision and one that is desined to appeal to all those living in Scotland, not just those traditionally classed at Scottish.
    (how do you class a 3rd generation immigrant, who's never even left Tayside, speaks with strong Dundonian accent, supports Scottish Football vermantly and lives off pies! As his name is Shah, doesn't look pasty pale but sure as hell considers himslef Scottish!)
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  12. Fang_Farrier

    Fang_Farrier LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    So if 7 out of 10 folk who expressed an opiion wanted change then they shouldn't get it? Do we not assume that those who vote do not care one way or another rather than counting them as a no.
  13. That's why the wording of the referendum is so important because the clever politician engineers it so the voters voting for the desired scenario have to make the least effort. Usually done where change is being voted for as not voting for change equals a no vote so you don't even have to vote to be counted as a no.
  14. I have voted for the SNP in the past because they promised grown up government for Scotland leading to an end of the adversarial politics so prevalent in Westminster. I did not then nor do I now want an independant Scotland.

    The SNP started off well enough but if you ever watch the Scottish parliament on TV the SNP MSPs cannot even draw breath before launching into attacks, sometimes personal, on opposition members leaving the idiots at Westminster well behind in the abuse stakes, if it happened on the streets the polis would have you away in the blink of an eye for public order reasons!

    As for letting 16 yr olds vote in a referendum I can't think of any good reason to lower the age. If you want 16 yr olds to vote, lower the age for all elections then you will reap what you sow as you'll invent massive swing voting.
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  15. This is starting to smack of desperation and goal post adjustment. Hopefully the fat smarmy reptile his odious minions and the divisive rhetoric they espouse will disappear up their own hoops when their plans to break up a historic and generally successful union just so that they can have their own fantasy, ill conceived caledonian train set come to naught.
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