Merge the three Services

I mean where we think we are generalists that can do specialist things

At least with Adjutants there is a course

But things like Int Officer for people to just step into without any training (there is some, but it isn't mandatory)

Engineers I'd count as specialists

I think we train people particularly well to think on their feet and adapt to situations, but not very well to genuinely do their jobs and set them up for success with pre employment training or CPD.

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Is that an Army thing? In the A2 world IntO is a proper career path for an Officer
 

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On the other hand, it'll be mildly amusing to watch the aneurysms from Army and RN officers when it turns out that Cranwell is by far the most sensible choice in terms of a site to train the tri-service officers (in terms of potential for expansion, etc.)
Did not know that Cranwell was by a tidal river with access to the sea.
 
Is that an Army thing? In the A2 world IntO is a proper career path for an Officer
Yeah it's an Army thing.

Though we also have a whole Int Corps for it....

Though the new career model may mean that Int Corps officers take Int Officer roles at HQs, Signals take Regimental Signal Officer jobs etc etc

Especially if E1/E2/E3 gets scrapped and it's more of a free for all based on KSEB

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So you don't believe that rationalising stock numbers would give any savings?
Dear God in heaven! Do you really think that keeping your equipment clean and thus functional is a novel idea? How did it get to the point there were lots of breakdowns? Your unit must have been full of shitcunts.

Why not everyone wear cam cream every day, just to remind them what they do for a living?
my point was that if folks had been doing their jobs properly then they would already be rationalised.

let me know when y ou discover a quick and foolproof way of avoiding the build up of crud based on very fine sand compacted between the back of an AEC Militant Mk1 radiator and the inside of the radiator cowl which is all under a non- tilting cab won't you? My point was that the basics are valid no matter how long ago they were learned.

Why not wear uniform every day?

oh hang on
 
Did not know that Cranwell was by a tidal river with access to the sea.
RN sailing block on River Humber to North of Cranwell for the small amount of time RN Officer Cadets (that's right, we'd lose Midshipman as an RN trainee officer rank too) spend on water

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again - peanuts.

If you want savings, you chop entire fleets/capabilities/classes of ship and make the people associated redundant.
I fear you are correct.

entire capabilites have already gone from the support area, it has to be the front line next.
 

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foc.

Disbanding the corps and handing all the CNR (Retail) off to the teeth arms and heavy land CIS (Wholesale) to TCW may well be the way ahead. Actually, the more I think about this the smarter that seems. Of course the navy will need to retain its own CIS because a) they are special and b) they need to have firefighting training.
Yep, who else is going to fight fires and smash wooden wedges in holes?
 

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RN sailing block on River Humber to North of Cranwell for the small amount of time RN Officer Cadets (that's right, we'd lose Midshipman as an RN trainee officer rank too) spend on water

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3 hr travel time round trip. Yep defiantly good use of time that. Oh and "time spent on water" is kinda the Navy thing.
 

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Did not know that Cranwell was by a tidal river with access to the sea.
That was assuming that the tri-service course wouldn't have any seamanship in it, or at least not until Ph 2.

But it's hardly a ridiculous distance from the sea if needed.
 
3 hr travel time round trip. Yep defiantly good use of time that. Oh and "time spent on water" is kinda the Navy thing.
1 hour from Cranwell....

At BRNC? It certainly doesn't seem to be a huge part of it (I'll happily stand corrected)

Or they could do a solid few weeks at sea as part of the course?

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Plus, having grown up by the Humber, it’s not a great place to learn to sail/ship-handle on.
 
1 hour from Cranwell....

At BRNC? It certainly doesn't seem to be a huge part of it (I'll happily stand corrected)

Or they could do a solid few weeks at sea as part of the course?

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It’s at least twice weekly, with weekends of it, plus an entire exercise in teh second term.

As ever, all of this has been looked at - none of the three sS colleges work well enough to justify the losses that would be incurred to the other two services.
 

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1 hour from Cranwell....

At BRNC? It certainly doesn't seem to be a huge part of it (I'll happily stand corrected)

Or they could do a solid few weeks at sea as part of the course?

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So who is funding the massive infrastructure project for the new RN Base in Hull? Berthing for small boats, large PBs, fueling, stores, maintenance and the alongside seamanship training platform.

I get you are trolling but in all the studies done since way back the same conclusion has been arrived at. No current officer training centre has the right mix for the three services. It is too expensive to build a new one and it is too expensive to adapt a current one. Also CTCRM is all ranks so removing officers causes funding issues with the ranks and specialist trade schools.
 

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That was assuming that the tri-service course wouldn't have any seamanship in it, or at least not until Ph 2.

But it's hardly a ridiculous distance from the sea if needed.
So you want students to spend up to 3 hours a day travelling to do seamanship and boating? Look at you Mr Money Bags.
 
It’s at least twice weekly, with weekends of it, plus an entire exercise in teh second term.

As ever, all of this has been looked at - none of the three sS colleges work well enough to justify the losses that would be incurred to the other two services.
Agreed. I can't see a Joint IOT to be honest.

Army is already centralising it's soldier training more by investing in Pirbright and closing Winchester (eventually/supposedly)

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my point was that if folks had been doing their jobs properly then they would already be rationalised.
Yes. But they haven't, and they haven't. And yet when someone suggests rationalising two similar items, both of which fulfill the same function by making one obsolescent, you state that, unless exact figures are given, there is no way of knowing whether or not it would represent a cost saving, and even if it did, it wouldn't be worth doing because it would have already been done if it was.
let me know when y ou discover a quick and foolproof way of avoiding the build up of crud based on very fine sand compacted between the back of an AEC Militant Mk1 radiator and the inside of the radiator cowl which is all under a non- tilting cab won't you? My point was that the basics are valid no matter how long ago they were learned.
One breakdown due to overheating caused by a build up of fine dust is unfortunate; the second should have raised suspicions; the third should have prompted investigative actions. So unless these lots of breakdowns happened in a very short timescale, the failure to address this in good time is shameful.
Why not wear uniform every day?

oh hang on
Yeah, hang on tight. You've answered your own question.
 
Re military police, and civil police too, would it not be cheaper, nationally, to train all " police" to a single standard, then add modular courses for, eg, military, nuclear, MOD etc police?
ie, bin all current MPs and subcontract the job of policing garrisons, ships and airfields to civpol?
A bit like the . . . wait for it! wait for it! . . . French National Gendarmerie? Where you switch in and out of military and civil police units.

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The question is why?
What is the operational requirement that a monkey has to be RM trained.
There might well be one, but I'm struggling to see it.
I guess that there is a perceived need that all support elements (not just Pro) need to be Cdo-trained; as either an RM with an ADQUAL or as RN, Army, RAF specialists who have completed the AACC. Why?; is a different question.

That requirement will have been backed up by a TNA - hence people are being loaded onto courses.

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At BRNC? It certainly doesn't seem to be a huge part of it (I'll happily stand corrected)
Even on the two-week RNR course, we were down at Sandquay every day of Week 1 - typically half a day on the boats, half a day in the classrooms, and qualifying as a whaler coxswain was a key part of the course. (Week 2 was mostly spent in DPM thrashing through non-stop leadership tasks... some of them involving time in said boats)

There is a sort of expectation that as even a junior part-time Navy officer, you'll have some understanding of getting about on "the wet bit" of the map...
 
Interesting thread. Watching from the sidelines as a Trog and a Stacker illustrate the difficulty in merging Supply and Transport into the same Corps, let alone the cooks and rest of the RAOC is perhaps illustrative of the problems that would be faced with merging entire Services.

If it’s not possible to reach a consensus view on something as seemingly simple as merging stores and the means to get the stores to the field, something complicated like marching round the square in the same manner is dead in the water :)
 

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