Army Rumour Service

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Merge the three Services

Polyester

War Hero
I mean where we think we are generalists that can do specialist things

At least with Adjutants there is a course

But things like Int Officer for people to just step into without any training (there is some, but it isn't mandatory)

Engineers I'd count as specialists

I think we train people particularly well to think on their feet and adapt to situations, but not very well to genuinely do their jobs and set them up for success with pre employment training or CPD.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
Yes, I’d agree with that. The way careers are streamed and managed doesn’t help either.
 
Yes, I’d agree with that. The way careers are streamed and managed doesn’t help either.
CASTLE may/should/could help with the focus being on developing KSEB in certain areas and then using them more rather than scatter gunning around postings regardless of previous experience/training

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
 

Truxx

LE
I don't believe this is true - I believe the MoD (and the NHS for that matter) would be "fully funded" on the same budgets (or even less - not that I am advocating for a cut!) if only they could get their acts together on procurement.

Unfortunately I also believe that the chances of that happening are slim to none.
It is 100% true

If the act was got together, as you say, on procurement, the amount of money allocated would reduce.

The MOD would not see the benefit.
 

Truxx

LE
Which means your 34 years experience isnt really worth anything when it comes to supply and yet you still just dismissed the shoes issue. Supply isnt just driving stuff from A to B.


There you go again "better folk" you mean someone decided something at least 30 years ago and the army still do it because it always has. 30 years ago the Army used to ruin the life of gays and give women the choice of killing their unborn babies or losing there job, at some point in time the Army changed. Again it shows you dont think about things you just do them because thats the way it always has been.
Lets think about your justification for cam cream (now that you have dropped the embarrassing reason that it instills a martial purpose). You with your 34 years of experience, are telling people that the Army does something today because it did so 30+ years ago? Do you not understand how stupid that sounds?
As for the minuscule cost. Why do officers insist that because its a trivial amount (to them) that its not worth sorting out?

I assume you mean whats the main difference between a CT0/1/battle camp training and trade trading on CT2/3? What the **** did you do for the last 34 years? Sit in a dark, soundproofed room? I wonder how much money was wasted on exercises that you had control over with soldiers doing shit that had no relevance to what they had to learn.
If you were instructing soldiers on a battle camp would you stop to cram in a bit of MJDI training? Probably not, so why would you **** about in the middle of trade training?

You could probably find a contracting firm to do alot of the support arms jobs, you just need to pay them a fortune and/or not rely on them to either deploy at short notice or stay in a deployment area. Im surprised that someone with 34 years experience didnt know that.
Let's do this one paragraph at a time

I am not a supplier. Thank God. But I do know a heck of a lot about support to the armed forces (all 3) particularly on ops.

I dismiss the shoe idea because until you can give me the numbers it's just bullshit.

30 years is nowt. On a particularly arduous firing camp (supplying 175mm HE) down at Graphenwohr we and our gunner truckies were suffering lots of breakdowns due to the amount of dust. Cue one of our SNCOs who had served his formative years in Aden. He instigated a morning routine utilising the truck airlines and bass brushes to clear radiators and air filters. End of problems.

Your comments about abortion and homosexuality are hereby ignored.

My support for cam cream is straightforward. Cam and concealment is of particular importance to CSS units. Getting individuals to think like a soldier (martial mindset) is fundamental. Clearly the lesson was lost on you.

My point about training was that there is no difference. If you or a group are training, then regardless of the type of training, it is to prepare you or the group for operations. Even trade training. Clearly the point was lost on you.

None of the things you mention are any impediment to a go-getting service provider providing support. Now answer my question. Why could your job not have been done by a contractor?
 
Maybe but if your suggestion is that people stay in their comfort zone their whole career, the branches could still merge.
And most NATO positions would be shitcanned.

I was aiming for suggesting by implication that proper training and a longer time in post would be a better move

Nobody in the private sector drops a random unqualified bod into a high level project post without a very good reason so why the f**k does the Armed Forces think some jolly good chap who's a fine company commander can do the job
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
What of a member of one service working at a site run by another service? I'll admit to not knowing precisely how that would work, but presumably either you might need to take a morning out at the taxpayers' expense to visit an own-service stores or get the stackers to order them in specially.

It all adds up.

Since RN stores are provably unable to issue RN kit to RN personnel without a warrant officer conducting some discreet off-the-record sorcery, the problem of getting them to issue to anyone else might not be the highest priority to solve...
 
Since RN stores are provably unable to issue RN kit to RN personnel without a warrant officer conducting some discreet off-the-record sorcery, the problem of getting them to issue to anyone else might not be the highest priority to solve...
If I could make one change I'd have the RAF run all stores. They are amazing. They do this thing where if you ask for something, they issue it to you.

Revolutionary.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
 
If I could make one change I'd have the RAF run all stores. They are amazing. They do this thing where if you ask for something, they issue it to you.

Revolutionary.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

Liar.
 
...
I dismiss the shoe idea because until you can give me the numbers it's just bullshit.
So you don't believe that rationalising stock numbers would give any savings?
...
30 years is nowt. On a particularly arduous firing camp (supplying 175mm HE) down at Graphenwohr we and our gunner truckies were suffering lots of breakdowns due to the amount of dust. Cue one of our SNCOs who had served his formative years in Aden. He instigated a morning routine utilising the truck airlines and bass brushes to clear radiators and air filters. End of problems.
Dear God in heaven! Do you really think that keeping your equipment clean and thus functional is a novel idea? How did it get to the point there were lots of breakdowns? Your unit must have been full of shitcunts.
...
My support for cam cream is straightforward. Cam and concealment is of particular importance to CSS units. Getting individuals to think like a soldier (martial mindset) is fundamental. Clearly the lesson was lost on you.
Why not everyone wear cam cream every day, just to remind them what they do for a living?
 

Mattb

LE
If I could make one change I'd have the RAF run all stores. They are amazing. They do this thing where if you ask for something, they issue it to you.

Revolutionary.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
Not necessarily, I once went in with a biff chit to demand a specific bergan, which made the storeman extremely grumpy and start questioning why it was necessary.

Although to be fair I did get it in the end.
 
Like this?







Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Somewhere, a former Black Watch RSM has just fainted.
 
I was aiming for suggesting by implication that proper training and a longer time in post would be a better move

Nobody in the private sector drops a random unqualified bod into a high level project post without a very good reason so why the f**k does the Armed Forces think some jolly good chap who's a fine company commander can do the job
Still not an argument for or against merging of branches as it already happens in areas of the armed forces.
 
If I could make one change I'd have the RAF run all stores. They are amazing. They do this thing where if you ask for something, they issue it to you.

Revolutionary.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
Its ******* like that who give us real stackers a bad name.
 
Somewhere, a former Black Watch RSM has just fainted.
I saw a former Black Watch RSM (later LE Lt Col) the other day in Taunton. Still in impressive shape for someone who must be in his 70s now. One of those who will never fully retire and keeps on going!
 

Truxx

LE
A thousand apologies shipmates.

The thought occurred to me a short while ago that I appear to be having a cnut off with another poster. Realising this I could of course take it to another forum but to be honest i can't be arrsed. So I will just lurk and read the thread and take it from there.

So please, carry on as if I am not here.
 

Guns

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
No I don't mean that at all (#CathyNewmanWalt).

Those who know me, or even read my posts, are well aware that I do CIS at combined/joint level and have done for the last 18 years or so as my full time job. Yes, I said that there are some local peculiarities, including Link 16 for the Air Force, Comd and TIC nets for the land forces and RMP for the maritime forces, but mostly the requirements are almost the same in nature if slightly different in detail. Big or complex mobile platforms, have big complex mobile platform requirements, small mobile elements, have small mobile element requirements and static communities have static community requirements. I really do understand the requirements.

In reality (Despite every niche specialist having edgy buzzwords for their bit) there are only four elements to any CIS implementation: Transmission, network, services and user community. How what info gets to where is a technology question, how it was acquired and what is done with it is an ops question. The underlying principles...again...are basically the same.

The reason that maritime, land and air CIS are different, is because they have always been jealously guarded as different by their owner/operators. In reality they are much closer related than you (As a single service CIS exponent) may think.

Oh yeah, and as for your comment about FofS/YofS being "tactical comms directors changing COMPLANs minute by minute as i take battle damage/lose supplies/lose the integrated comms systems"...The answer is many of them do, most of them have and all of them can. In fact, during the Falklands conflict, the joint close maritime, littoral and land radio network was designed from scratch and managed by a very clever YofS (PB) because no-one had ever realised it might be needed at some point so there was no readily available solution. He looked at what was available and came up with a very clever, but easy to understand system that enabled the mission commander to exercise C2 of his mission (With HF backhaul to both UK and Ascension).
You forgot interoperability. Big issue for Maritime and Air, less so for Land.
 
A thousand apologies shipmates.

The thought occurred to me a short while ago that I appear to be having a cnut off with another poster. Realising this I could of course take it to another forum but to be honest i can't be arrsed. So I will just lurk and read the thread and take it from there.

So please, carry on as if I am not here.
Dont go to far, I still need to answer your previous post with what I would have thought would have been obvious to someone with 34 years experiance in the RLC in addition to hanging around with the clever people.
 

Latest Threads

Top