Memory stick containing troops manoeuvres left in club

#1
Here we go again!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7605923.stm

The discovery at a Cornish nightclub of a computer memory stick with details of troop movements on it is being probed by the Ministry of Defence (MoD).

The USB stick, outlining training for 70 soldiers from the 3rd Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment, was found on the floor of The Beach in Newquay in May.

Times, locations and travel and accommodation details for the troops were included in files on the device.
 
#2
Is this for real! how can this happen? have we gotten so fcuking leanient that no one bothers about the consequences anymore?

This should be dealt with the same as it would have been in the good old days when we had terrorism on our door step!

everyone makes mistakes but try explaining to the families of these guys if some cnut has/had a go.
 
#3
A clubber found the memory stick and handed it in to a national newspaper.

What a idiot, "I know I've found a memory stick I'll have a look and see how much money I can get".

Is there no such thing as an honest citizen any more??? :?
 
#4
I'm guessing it would be something to do with an Ex or the press have taken it out of context.

It's still a big issue of course and the person(s) responsible should be disciplined. But 3 YORKS are due to deploy on Telic in the near-ish future (No opsec breached, it's on their website under 'future') as a bn so I doubt it had anything that would seriously breach OpSec that was relating to "70 men" - Probably just a Coy Excercise or something.


As I say, it should still be followed up as the memory stick could have had more secure information on.


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#7
Someone obviously had it in their pocket and went on the piss then!
 
#9
scms said:
Is this for real! how can this happen? have we gotten so fcuking leanient that no one bothers about the consequences anymore?

This should be dealt with the same as it would have been in the good old days when we had terrorism on our door step!

everyone makes mistakes but try explaining to the families of these guys if some cnut has/had a go.
Training, Education, Professionalism.

http://www.mod.uk/nr/rdonlyres/3e756d20-e762-4fc1-bab0-08c68fdc2383/0/burton_review_rpt20080430.pdf

It's just too fcukin easy to cock up, storage devices have gotten cheaper, smaller, more plentiful, and can store way more, and there is always a slot in a bog standard machine somewhere. Bad Drills.
 
#10
Praetorian said:
Someone obviously had it in their pocket and went on the piss then!
You could get a job with MI5 with observations like that.
 
#11
Frankly this is down purely to the Army's piss poor grasp of IT. As far as I can tell large chunks of the army treat IT as a sort of dumb clerk they have to deal with. There's no overreaching idea of what IT could do, just a series of imposed incompetent "solutions" to problems that either nobody knew existed or cared about and a mass of childish abdication of responsibility for quite simple security issues. It is shockingly easy to encrypt data to quite a chunky level PGP is just one example. RSA secure ID cards are easy to set up. It's even possible to lock a USB memory stick so it will only work on certain systems or is itself secure.

So why the f**k is the army, and MoD roaming around with crap?
 
#12
Kitmarlowe said:
Frankly this is down purely to the Army's urine poor grasp of IT. As far as I can tell large chunks of the army treat IT as a sort of dumb clerk they have to deal with. There's no overreaching idea of what IT could do, just a series of imposed incompetent "solutions" to problems that either nobody knew existed or cared about and a mass of childish abdication of responsibility for quite simple security issues. It is shockingly easy to encrypt data to quite a chunky level PGP is just one example. RSA secure ID cards are easy to set up. It's even possible to lock a USB memory stick so it will only work on certain systems or is itself secure.

So why the f**k is the army, and MoD roaming around with crap?
Send your CV off to them as an IT security advisor and blag a good wage packet? :twisted:
 
#13
Whiskey_60 said:
Kitmarlowe said:
Frankly this is down purely to the Army's urine poor grasp of IT. As far as I can tell large chunks of the army treat IT as a sort of dumb clerk they have to deal with. There's no overreaching idea of what IT could do, just a series of imposed incompetent "solutions" to problems that either nobody knew existed or cared about and a mass of childish abdication of responsibility for quite simple security issues. It is shockingly easy to encrypt data to quite a chunky level PGP is just one example. RSA secure ID cards are easy to set up. It's even possible to lock a USB memory stick so it will only work on certain systems or is itself secure.

So why the f**k is the army, and MoD roaming around with crap?
Send your CV off to them as an IT security advisor and blag a good wage packet? :twisted:
I would, if I could cope with muppets telling me what IT can do....!
 
#14
waitout said:
A clubber found the memory stick and handed it in to a national newspaper.

What a idiot, "I know I've found a memory stick I'll have a look and see how much money I can get".

Is there no such thing as an honest citizen any more??? :?
Surely something like that would be restricted? That being the case, handing it to the press is an offence under the Official Secrets Act (I think), and the civvy concerned should be arrested and charged.

If you want honest citizens, don't look for them in nightclubs...
 

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#15
Navystar, onboard, only lets us access a MoD REST USB Stick. They can not be removed from the ship unless clearance has been given and the number onboard is limited and regularly checked.

JSP states (latest amend) that unless encrypted no digital media is to be removed from the establishment.

I suspect this is a civi USB stick were a unit AT event admin has been done and lost.

The rules are there, the systems in place but if someone does the work at home or on their laptop you are stuffed.
 
#17
Not good, though if the Firm actually supplied adequate amounts of IT instead of relying on us supplying our own unencrypted stuff, what do they really expect?
 
#18
Who takes a memory stick on the Piss with them?????

Wallet????check
Phone???? check
Card with Taxi number???check
USB Stick???? Think I might leave that at Camp!!!!
 
#19
Was this AT or EXCON? If AT , why are people so sure that this was lost by a member of the Military?

edited as just saw MS164's post. Seriously, how many people take a USB stick out with them on the piss?

It's normally wallet? Check, clean pants? check , lucky pulling trousers? check.

USB sticks tend to get left in the office.

So how are we sure this was lost by a Military bod?
 
#20
Why a memory stick was taken on the piss is kinda beside the point. The fact is its quite easy for data to go missing... eg left in a train station toilet while commuting to work etc.

JSPs do state digital media may not be removed from camp but come on how realistic is that? The Army needs a grown up attitude to data management which takes into account the complete failure of the Army to provide IT. What would OCs say if subbies started handing in hand written admin instructions? The Army expects quality training to be organised for the blokes and fails to provide IT - this is the result and I feel sorry for the person/scapegoat involved.

Tricam
 

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