Medium Armour Squadrons

#1
Fairly new concept to me, what exactly are they composed of & do they actually work?
 

AlienFTM

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#2
I Googled for "medium Armour squadron" and got some very useful hits that explain it all.
 
#3
FFBox said:
Fairly new concept to me, what exactly are they composed of & do they actually work?
They are equipped with CVR/T. In the last round of defence cuts the number of CR2 tanks was reduced and this was done by reducing the number of CR2 Sqns rather than disbanding any more regt's. This new concept was brought in to allow the CR2 Regts to keep the 4th Sqn, keep the manpower in place so that when this "scumbag" Labour government is finally thrown out of office and the mothballed CR2's put back in Service the manpower and logistics are already in place.
 

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#4
aghart said:
FFBox said:
Fairly new concept to me, what exactly are they composed of & do they actually work?
They are equipped with CVR/T. In the last round of defence cuts the number of CR2 tanks was reduced and this was done by reducing the number of CR2 Sqns rather than disbanding any more regt's. This new concept was brought in to allow the CR2 Regts to keep the 4th Sqn, keep the manpower in place so that when this "scumbag" Labour government is finally thrown out of office and the mothballed CR2's put back in Service the manpower and logistics are already in place.
My bold. Surely you mean "bought back"?
 
#5
AlienFTM said:
aghart said:
FFBox said:
Fairly new concept to me, what exactly are they composed of & do they actually work?
They are equipped with CVR/T. In the last round of defence cuts the number of CR2 tanks was reduced and this was done by reducing the number of CR2 Sqns rather than disbanding any more regt's. This new concept was brought in to allow the CR2 Regts to keep the 4th Sqn, keep the manpower in place so that when this "scumbag" Labour government is finally thrown out of office and the mothballed CR2's put back in Service the manpower and logistics are already in place.
My bold. Surely you mean "bought back"?
We have had an MA Sqn for two years now. The real reason for it was to introduce the new "Medium tank" into Armoured Regiments so that A) it took the starin off the over worked Formation recce regiments, and B) gave BG Commanders some flexibility in choosing what hammer to crack which particular nut.

Unfortunatly, and not at all surprisingly the future MA Platform is well behind schedule (and no doubt over budget) so to fill the gaps the good old CVR(T) has been shoe horned in its place. Quite agree though with the keeping the manning in place so as not to disband Sqns.

Incidentally our MA Sqn was recently attached to an Infantry BG who (through no fault of there own) had no idea what to do with them so initially used them as Heavey Armour ( not ideal in the TES War and then used them to filter into the Recce screen as and when the recce troop CVR were taken out. Seems like there is a lot to learn.
 
#6
Sorry to sound a bit dense here but what is our Medium Armour Tank?

Chally 2 - Heavy
Scimitar - Light

Weren't the Matilda and Sherman classed as medium tanks with the Pershing heavy, history I know but shows there is a difference.

Are we buying new tanks? Or is this a new role for existing hardware?
 
#7
stinker said:
Sorry to sound a bit dense here but what is our Medium Armour Tank?

Chally 2 - Heavy
Scimitar - Light

Weren't the Matilda and Sherman classed as medium tanks with the Pershing heavy, history I know but shows there is a difference.

Are we buying new tanks? Or is this a new role for existing hardware?
The Medium Armoured Vehicle is a drawing on a piece of paper (probably). It was initially a part of the FRES System which i think i am right in saying has all but been cancelled. This was supposed to have entered service very soon. Its all to do with deployabillity, sleeker more mobile and easier to get to hot dusty sheiite holes.

The reality is (and i am certainly not the expert) that there will be no medium armour vehicle for a long time, no doubt allowing the little CVR series undergo its umpteenth mid life crisis, sorry i meant upgrade.
 
#8
Further to my last post (and having read a little) the Americans have a FRES system in operation at the moment in the form of their STRYKER Platform. The concept is largely as i explained above in that it is rapidly deployable by air. Unfortunatly though due to its very concept ie. lightweight and air portable it is a death trap on the ground to tha crews.

Solution? Uparmour and add bar armour.

Problem? Not air portable anymore and goes by sea along with all the Bradley's and Abrams getting there at the same time.

That and the cost of this potentially inept system was estimated at £14 Bn the old CVR(T) looks much more attractive.

Sorry i am being a spotter, you did ask.
 
#10
I have uploaded an interesting article I was sent from C&S regarding the RDG's C (The Black Dragoons) Squadron Medium Armour Squadron.

You will need WinRar (WinZip) to decompress and open the .jpg's.

The Black Dragoons
 
#11
wayner thanks for the further info, so then its the usual, use the same kit or bolt something on it (bulldog/432?) call it something else and call it progress.
 
#12
I have also heard that as an interim(?) measure to cover the CVR(T) FRES gap, we're looking at the LAV/MOWAG type vehicles again, anyone else heard this?
 
#13
tankieboy said:
I have uploaded an interesting article I was sent from C&S regarding the RDG's C (The Black Dragoons) Squadron Medium Armour Squadron.

You will need WinRar (WinZip) to decompress and open the .jpg's.

The Black Dragoons
Anybody know why they've chosen the name "The Black Dragoons" rather than the traditional "Black Horse" title??
 
#14
FFBox said:
I have also heard that as an interim(?) measure to cover the CVR(T) FRES gap, we're looking at the LAV/MOWAG type vehicles again, anyone else heard this?
Heard something about PATRIA and also about a short CV90 variant; the latter might be for something else obviously.
 
#15
GDav said:
tankieboy said:
I have uploaded an interesting article I was sent from C&S regarding the RDG's C (The Black Dragoons) Squadron Medium Armour Squadron.

You will need WinRar (WinZip) to decompress and open the .jpg's.

The Black Dragoons
Anybody know why they've chosen the name "The Black Dragoons" rather than the traditional "Black Horse" title??
Lloyds lawyers?
 
#17
Hussars talk the other day at my unit and the officer talked a lot about CV90 variants, as they can come with a range of turrets.
 
#18
future_rupert said:
Hussars talk the other day at my unit and the officer talked a lot about CV90 variants, as they can come with a range of turrets.
I believe Sweden will be making about 100 (CV9040A) vehicles surplus quite soon, should offer a cheap donor vehicle for CV90105 or CV90120-T.

CV90105 with GIAT TML 105 turret, as used on the AMX 10RC during Desert Storm;


CV90120-T uses the RUAG 120 mm Compact Tank Gun;
 
#19
Interview with US Army General Eric Shinseki - mastermind behind Stryker.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/future/interviews/shinseki.html


In relation to GW1:
Our response was to take a brigade of light infantry, our airborne infantry, the great Eighty-second Airborne Division, airlifted them quickly and put the in the desert to block. And they dug in with not much in the way of lethality of anti-tank capability or artillery. But they went into the desert to take on that movement that was coming south. It's not a battle that we would have designed. Heavy mechanized forces were coming up against light infantry, and frankly, we held our breath.
 
#20
Probably an even cheaper medium option now that I think about it; Warrior LMT105.

Link.
 
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