Medical Care Practitioners

Discussion in 'Professionally Qualified, RAMC and QARANC' started by ibilola, Nov 7, 2005.

Welcome to the Army Rumour Service, ARRSE

The UK's largest and busiest UNofficial military website.

The heart of the site is the forum area, including:

  1. What happened to the plan to introduce Physician Assistants into the Army? I believe there were plans to send selected CMTs to Canada for training a few years back but nothing appears to have come of it.

    Only asking because the Government has just announced plans to introduce Medical Care Practitioners (ie Physician Assistants) into the NHS.

    MCPs will be a new breed of health professional performing similar duties to junior doctors under consultant supervision.

    The new role of Medical Care Practitioner means that after rigorous additional training and under the continuous supervision of a physician, healthcare professionals will be able to:

    Obtain full medical histories and perform appropriate physical examinations such as breast checks
    Diagnose, manage and treat illnesses within their competence such as depression, gout and eczema
    Request diagnostic tests such as ECGs and interpret the results
    Provide patient education and preventative healthcare advice regarding medication, common problems and disease management such as diabetes care, chronic respiratory conditions and angina
    Prescribe medications as appropriate
    Decide on appropriate referral to, and liaison with, other professionals.
  2. What would their rank-range be? What capbadge would they be? what payscale would they be on?
    those are probably a couple of the stumbling blocks theyve run into.
  3. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    If MCPs are brought into the Army, I imagine the Grey Mafia will grab it straight away, and who will stop them?
  4. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    I think it got binned to make way for the On Board CMT Cruise course which takes 2 years to complete based in the Maldives.

    I am so shocked too!
  5. Was that after the HEMS based paramedic course Venty, I mean think of all the people who would not have jumped ship to do that instead
  6. From the Role profile above I would call that a Nurse Consultant.
  7. But trained in the medical rather than nursing model apparently.
  8. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Not quite Pox_Dr

    See the Nursing profiles from Agenda for Change

    Diagnosing etc has still to be written into a profile
  9. That's what is driving his post. He is determined to reach WO without working for it.
  10. Beg to differ, As a Uniformed CNS I was diagnosing both on OPs & in MDHUs, as are colleagues still serving, this can be bourn out by those who know me or about the trade. Presently I am a GUM Nurse Cons in the NHS & my guildlines which include diagnosing are part of the BASHH national guildlines & used by the physicians that I work along side, so is every other NC that I am aware of.

    The fact that it’s not in AfC doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, as a lot of people are discovering. Although it is part of KSF which is linked to AfC & the appraisal process - In Dimension G2 Development & Innovation it quantifies development as "assessment, diagnosis, care & treatment."

    However the main area of difference seems to be that MCP are generic & can cross over specialities where as NC are restricted to fixed specialist areas.

    Good luck to them if this can be pulled together.

    Although I would imagine that it will be many years before the services take this on board, probably as the NHS is phasing them out.
  11. And the original question did not merit an answer?

    Incidently, what did happen to....... Physicians assistants?
    In the same vein; what is happening with Paramedical qualification/certification?

    Dr's saying no again?
  12. Your sounding as cynical as me! :wink:
  13. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    Does Ibiloa do it for a 'wah' which we all rise too?
  14. She/he/it is desperately looking for ways into the Mess without doing the time (PQWO, qualified Radiographers should be sgts, medical care practitioners etc...), as a TA officer radiographer she/he/it would have to join as a junior as there are no direct entry officers in the Regular Radiographer CEG.
  15. Portsmouth uni are running a civi doctors assistant course. The qualified person is then able to cannulae and take bloods on the ward when the nurses cannot or the doctors are busy.

    In Birmingham there are civi doctors assistants who do this but also order investigation procedures i.e. CT scans as well as being a clerk for the doctors. They do not carry out examinations on patients or have prescribing powers.

    From what I have seen this role is not an extension of the nurse but, as the title suggests a doctor’s assistant. As for having this role in the army, I can’t see it in this form.