Medical Board

#1
Hi,

I gave my notice to terminate service after returning from maternity leave last year, during that time I was temp downgraded. My terminal leave starts today. The problem is I had a pre release medical on the 14th, the doctor spoke briefly about my grading and then said we will discuss it in more detail in march when I am due a grading board. I phoned up on Monday the 18th to book an appointment only to be told by the receptionist the doctor has already decided on my grading. However I still made an appointment so I could find out what was going on. To my surprise the doctor held a medical board on the 15 without making me aware or informing me of the board, but has said on the Fmed 23 that I was present and fully aware of the board, and I was happy to be downgraded. He even entered my regimental number rank and name and put a date close to my details. When I approached him he said although he recommends Pap 10 it should not affect anything. I told him then why lie on the Fmed 23 to say that I was aware of the proceedings. Can anybody advice me on how to approach this matter.
 
#2
Hi,

Can anybody advice me on how to approach this matter.
Speak to your Unit HR to see if you are better of on the termination or the PAP10 discharge. If the PAP10 is a better option stick with it but request the FMed 23 is amended to reflect the truth. If not, make a formal complaint of falsification of medical docs through your CoC.

Shiny
 
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#3
You may have misunderstood what has taken place. I'd strongly recommend reading PAP 10 before you take any further action. Pay particular attention to Chapter 9 and Appendix 2.
 
#5
Quick update. The doctor did not follow the correct procedure reference my Pap 10 document. So i made a SC for Mis conduct. They want me to do a proper medical board on the 09/05. Can they do a Medical Board now I'm out the Army?
 
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From QRs:

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[TD]a. Throughout this chapter 'discharge' means Retirement, Discharge or Transfer to the Reserve as appropriate.
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[TD]b. A unit's responsibility to an officer or soldier does not end on 'discharge' until all procedures, including associated documentation, have been correctly completed.
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They can certainly ask you to attend a medical board but it is your choice whether to attend or not, it may well be in your own interests to go.

They should pay reasonable travelling costs so ask, and take someone with you.
 
#8
Thank you I will certainly attend the board tomorrow and hopefully it's done correctly.
If you need any phone numbers to help, let me or EScotia know.
 
#9
I would appreciate any help I don't really have a vast knowledge of the medical board process. If the Doctor hadn't produce fraudulent document I wouldn't even have known that he had to do a med board before I was discharged.
 
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#11
I'd appreciate feedback on how the Med Board went (and if they paid your expenses) & if they followed PAP 10.
 
#12
Just finished attending the board and once again PAP 10 was not followed. All they tried to do was justified what happened and make excuses. Wasted journey so I'm going a head with the service complain.
 
#13
Hi all,

I was badly injured earlier this year on a trg ex, I have been P-0 for 6 months now and im getting a review from my MO in 2 weeks, he has told me that I will be getting recommended for a Formal med board in December and most likely facing a MD as I can fire a weapon system.

My question is this; What does the med board consist of? what do they do/ask etc? ive done 16 years and im a SGT, the injury is not my fault, I am scared that I will get booted out without a payout or a GIP/monthly payout.
Any advice on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks

B E
 
#15
Hi this is my first post on here, I'm currently fit and represent the army and combined services in sport and have done so for four years consecutively,I have been made redundant this year under T3, the past year how ever I've struggled with my knee and shoulder and at the moment I'm seeing the phsio for treatment but its not getting any better I can still run pass all the relevant tests carry load and still play sport and compete but all with pain. The phsio has stated that my knee and shoulder will not get any better without surgery which I would need to be downgraded.
My question is that if I get downgraded will I get taken off the redundancy? I'm passionate about the sport I play and the last thing I would want is to be kicked out.. And a thanks in advance for replies thanks.
 
#16
S.khan You have lost me here.... Your saying your being made redundant on T3 and then saying you don't want to be kicked out because of an injury?!

I honestly don't know about how the redundancy rules work. As long as your injuries are documented you have something like 5 or 7 years to put a claim in for them under AFCS. That can happen either in MOD or as civvy.
If you get downgraded to try to avoid redundancy, you can damn well guarantee that they won't let you play your interservice Carp fishing or whatever it is ;)


My brain stopped working after midnight
 
#17
Hi thanks for the reply, That's right I'm due to get out June 2014, but I'm pretty sure I heard something like if you get downgraded while you have been selected for redundancy you get taken off it, but I wasn't sure how it worked so I was thinking that I would just carry on as normal with the pain soldier on and represent the army for my last combined services, as I would prefer to be redandant than hang around injured not knowing what was going o happen, I just wanted some advice really I guess.
 
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#18
If you can pass all mandatory tests and your injuries don't stop you playing sport then I'd suggest you aren't at the point of requiring the surgery you say your physio, who isn't an orthopaedic surgeon, says you need, either that or you misunderstood what the physio was saying.

Anyone who partakes in a physical job and/or partakes in regular sporting activity, particularly at a high level, will suffer wear & tear on their joints. You seriously need to look at yourself and realise that if you continue playing your sport(s), bearing in mind the state your body is in now, in 10-15 years time you are likely to be unable to work and support yourself.
 
#19
Hi thanks for getting back, sorry my phsio did say that I would need a MRI scan to detect the problem, I've been seeing the phsio on and off for the same injury for around a year now,and ive had the injury for over a year i would say which has not got any better but she sees this kind of injury all the time and normally it needs to be operated on as its a young meniscus tear on the knee, and in some cases some people can do things that they normally can but others in Certain positions its excruciating pain, and in my case in the squatting and turning or twisting the knee or turning the leg I do feel that it has got worse over this last month, and I'm contemplating on carrying on with the sport, but im in two minds at the moment. My original question was would I be taken off redundancy as I have heard if you are downgraded you would get taken off?
 
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#20
Hi thanks for getting back, sorry my phsio did say that I would need a MRI scan to detect the problem, I've been seeing the phsio on and off for the same injury for around a year now,and ive had the injury for over a year i would say which has not got any better but she sees this kind of injury all the time and normally it needs to be operated on as its a young meniscus tear on the knee, and in some cases some people can do things that they normally can but others in Certain positions its excruciating pain, and in my case in the squatting and turning or twisting the knee or turning the leg I do feel that it has got worse over this last month, and I'm contemplating on carrying on with the sport, but im in two minds at the moment. My original question was would I be taken off redundancy as I have heard if you are downgraded you would get taken off?
A meniscus tear will be repaired by keyhole surgery after which you will be temporarily downgraded. You will undergo a period of physio after which you will be re-assessed and, with you being a sporting sort of person, more than likely upgraded and quickly, I'm talking a few weeks here not months. Even as far back as 1992 I had it done on my right knee on the Friday at DKMH Catterick, was discharged on Light Duties on the Saturday and deployed on a 3 week exercise on the Monday. Last year I had it done on my left knee and was home the next day. It's not a big job!

Advice from Tranche 1 redundancy was:

Soldiers Below Minimum Medical Retention Standard.

If you believe your medical category places you below the minimum medical retention standard, you must seek advice from unit HR immediately on how to secure the necessary pension and compensation advice.

For soldiers, this is Permanent MND. Where this is not possible then you must contact the ARedC directly.

My guess is a temporary medical downgrading will not stop your redundancy but if your discharge date conflicts with your treatment programme it may delay it. If you are MND(P) you will be subject to the PAP 10 process.
 
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