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Media silence

It's been posted on here before, but one link of many
OK I stand corrected ,the words were crass but I really doubt the inference that has been placed upon the wording. Isreal is doing what all usurpers of Native lands have done throghout history and disenfranchising the Indigenous population. Which was OK during the 18/19 century but is it not unacceptable in the 21st?.
 
In Britain democracy is under an increasing and open threat instigated by the left. We see the no platforming of anyone the left do not like in universities, and the intolerance that has spawned has taken root and is spreading throught society.
So what is your 'Solution to the Labour Question' ban them and allow a one party Right wing State......stop the Politically Illiterate from voting, why not de-emancipate anyone who earns less than 30,000 pa say, that'll teach the ungrateful wretches .Those in the Upper Earnings bracket can then get on with doing whats best for their type of people............wow just had a 19th Century dejavu.
 
Unfortunately your not 'speaking out' about anything if you shout Gas the Jews whilst training your dog to Nazi salute. Saying you think that World Jewry is to blame for all the worlds ills and then writing about it is speaking out about what you perceive to be a problem, he was just being offensive for offense sake which makes him a c**k.
It was a joke. In bad taste perhaps but done to annoy his girlfriend.
If you can be locked up for bad jokes then the UK legal system is fucked.
 
It was a joke. In bad taste perhaps but done to annoy his girlfriend.
If you can be locked up for bad jokes then the UK legal system is fucked.
I would agree with you on that point but any story to distract the masses from the ,Skripal/Brexit/Boris is a Fool/Corbyn was a spy etcetera etcettera, is todays distractive non story and tomorrows virtual chip wrappers. Any day is a good day to bury bad news nowadays.
 
OK I stand corrected ,the words were crass but I really doubt the inference that has been placed upon the wording. Isreal is doing what all usurpers of Native lands have done throghout history and disenfranchising the Indigenous population. Which was OK during the 18/19 century but is it not unacceptable in the 21st?.
You are defending it?
Jewish people found it offensive. Why no police raids and court cases?
 
So what is your 'Solution to the Labour Question' ban them and allow a one party Right wing State......stop the Politically Illiterate from voting, why not de-emancipate anyone who earns less than 30,000 pa say, that'll teach the ungrateful wretches .Those in the Upper Earnings bracket can then get on with doing whats best for their type of people............wow just had a 19th Century dejavu.
A bit of a leap from criticising the no-platforming of those the left object to being accused of wanting to disenfranchise a large tract of the population.

Still I think you have exposed your attitude to free speech by this post-and that is you are against it. Otherwise how can you justify the left wing policy of no-platforming?.
 
What what?

You are (or seem to be) defending the use of an offensive phrase, "a final solution".
People of a Jewish background have said they find the use of the phrase to be offensive.
In which case the police should be investigating this "hate crime" in exactly the same way as the saluting pug.

That's what.
 
I wrote to my, tory, MP about this in a thought out, well written and non insulting tone. Her predecessor would have sent me a letter. This one sent me a bland acknowledgement on email that effectively translated as "**** off." The Conservatives should be fighting these trends but are competing with Labour to see who can censor us more.
Much of the present conservative government is not really that conservative, and more statist and even to a certain degree bocoming socialist in so much that all aspects of one's life must be regulated and controlled by the state.
 
I'm offended by the inference that whenever the words 'The Final Solution' are mentioned there is a rush to assume this means the advocation of the industrialised killing of a minority Religious group. As for the idiot this thread is about, then there has been a gross over use of news print ,on-line and social media bile spewing. It just shows clearly that History is not bieng taught in schools correctly. As for defending the Labour stance on Isreal ,then yes I find it unacceptable that a Nation should be created to assuage the guilt of the West for the Holocaust, at the expense of the indigenous popultaion who have every right to live in their historic homeland. A two state SOLUTION is the only way and unpalatable as that is the only SOLUTION is talking to ALL parties in the ME irrespective of our opinion of thier methods of running thier own affairs. Surely if the bloke next door keeps chucking stuff into your garden, finding out why he's doing it should come before knocking seven bells out of him with a big stick.
 
What what?

You are (or seem to be) defending the use of an offensive phrase, "a final solution".
People of a Jewish background have said they find the use of the phrase to be offensive.
In which case the police should be investigating this "hate crime" in exactly the same way as the saluting pug.

That's what.
OK so what was the Final Solution to the Independant's Crossword yesterday, sorry if that phrase offends but it's gramatically correct.
 
OK so what was the Final Solution to the Independant's Crossword yesterday, sorry if that phrase offends but it's gramatically correct.
Don't bother.
Your previous post shows fairly well where you stand on the Israel/Palistine question.
 
OK I stand corrected ,the words were crass but I really doubt the inference that has been placed upon the wording. Isreal is doing what all usurpers of Native lands have done throghout history and disenfranchising the Indigenous population. Which was OK during the 18/19 century but is it not unacceptable in the 21st?.
It's a lot more offensive than the Nazi pug and with the clear intent to offensive

Why else use the word final solution about Palestine except as a hate crime ?
 
It's a lot more offensive than the Nazi pug and with the clear intent to offensive

Why else use the word final solution about Palestine except as a hate crime ?
Well yeah that presumes of course in both cases that you see offence in the use of certain words dogmatically which may or may not be true here......
 
So what is your 'Solution to the Labour Question' ban them and allow a one party Right wing State......stop the Politically Illiterate from voting, why not de-emancipate anyone who earns less than 30,000 pa say, that'll teach the ungrateful wretches .Those in the Upper Earnings bracket can then get on with doing whats best for their type of people............wow just had a 19th Century dejavu.
Well you could try to engage people of differing political beliefs in a reasonable tone, your own statement above deliberately attempts to demonise the Tories by making up a ridiculous hypothesis and attributing it to the right, hardly indicates that you are willing to consider their point of view. Despite the labour leadership claiming that the way to solve problems is by discussion they seem unwilling to prepare the ground by discouraging such sentiments and indeed seem to encourage hatred with the use of phrases such as Tory Scum.
 
OK I stand corrected ,the words were crass but I really doubt the inference that has been placed upon the wording. Isreal is doing what all usurpers of Native lands have done throghout history and disenfranchising the Indigenous population. Which was OK during the 18/19 century but is it not unacceptable in the 21st?.
Good old lefty whataboutery. Accept no substitute.
 
To get the discussion back to the UK freedom of speech, and the Law, rather than the complete mess that is the Israel Palestinian conflict, which is and will continue to be a debated and more importantly, wont be solved until the mindset of destroying the state of Israel is off the table...


The fact that 'Dankulas' trial was jury-less is another pointer towards the unbalancing of the law, and due process. His tweet back in July 2017 makes clear he understands the importance and seriousness of his trial. I would say the media also understood this which is why they have been mute about it the greater extent.

I understand this will lead to much harrumphing but that law is on the books of England and Wales and, it appears, Scotland too. It has been exercised and, until appealed successfully, it appears it has been enforced correctly. You want this changed, you have to get the law off the books and, I'm afraid, you'll be up against the same vested interests that got it there in the first place.
Your entirely right that harrumphing about bad laws is less than effective, that it is inaction and apathy that allow bad laws be brought into statute, it shows that the public has failed as much as the legislator. I would say though that the wider population is becoming more active in understanding they have a duty to be heard, and that questioning, voting and standing up and speaking does make a difference.


Sundays free speech rally at Hyde Park, shows this, and that is why I believe there was 'Radio Silence' across the UK's traditional media. While much of the poor governance and drawing up of laws that endanger liberty and free speech can be laid at the feet of 'New Labour' and Blair.

The following coalition and now Conservative government have done nothing to change this. To effect change it is incumbent on us the voting public. "harrumphing" to ones self is not going to make any difference though, it is time to put our shoulders to the wheel and make ourselves heard, contacting a member of parliament has never been easier...

TheyWorkForYou: Hansard and Official Reports for the UK Parliament, Scottish Parliament, and Northern Ireland Assembly - done right

it only takes a few clicks to find an email address. Now while I have no doubt that many on ARRSE are active participants... What of your family, friends or workmates.
 
Well you could try to engage people of differing political beliefs in a reasonable tone, your own statement above deliberately attempts to demonise the Tories by making up a ridiculous hypothesis and attributing it to the right, hardly indicates that you are willing to consider their point of view. Despite the labour leadership claiming that the way to solve problems is by discussion they seem unwilling to prepare the ground by discouraging such sentiments and indeed seem to encourage hatred with the use of phrases such as Tory Scum.
I deliberately didn't use the word Tory but the National average earnings of the mid to upper quartiles of earners and as I fall in the mid braket then I am quite used to engaging people of differing Political beliefs .Unfortunately the majority of posters here seem to be of the opinion that anyone slightly left of Ghengis Khan has to be treated with mild to extreme levels of insult in order to shut down the debate.
I am quite open to debate with you about Tory policy ,given that since 1979 most govt's have indulged in the various theories of small state v central control and all points in between, even the last 'Labour' Govt indulged in NeoLiberal style control.
So hey level playing field go for it.......
Oh and I personally have never heard any of the Labour Leadership indulge in that sort of name calling but will agree with you that dialogue is everything and that cheap point scoring is fruitless for both sides. There are however real concerns that the current direction of the UK will not benefit the majority of citizens, which surely is the whole point.
 
Much of the present conservative government is not really that conservative, and more statist and even to a certain degree becoming socialist in so much that all aspects of one's life must be regulated and controlled by the state.
All the political parties have over the decades moved left. This I believe that they all have become, comfortable with more and more of the population particulary centrists and those to the right of center becoming disconnected, apathetic and thinking that their voice and vote counts for nothing. The trope of tramp kicking Tories has already been played in this thread.

The left though has capitalised on this by encouraging many forms of socially stigmatising to make any dissenting voice to be seen and nasty, bigoted, small minded hateful.
I mean wont anybody think of the fluffy kittens... CoD cats don't count obviously there Nazis.

Whilst on the topic of pet's political leanings, here is a picture of a kitten that was instrumental in clearing the Warsaw Ghetto. View attachment 327316

He is seen here giving instruction on hand grenade use.
 

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