Media silence

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The traditional news media's silence is deafening, as to the battle for freedom of speech, while it has begun the UK is in danger of sleepwalking into the embrace of thought speech.

The irony is rich that on Sunday the 19th of March 2018, after many thousands turned up to show that, free speech must be protected, that Markus Meechan aka 'Count Dankula' has been found guilty of being "grossly offensive" under the 'Communications Act 2003' and now awaits sentencing after being arrested in April 2017, in all likelyhood I have no doubt he will get a custodial sentence.


Mr Meechan is to some, no doubt an offensive figure and to others a shiteposting genius. The reality is though being a offensive cnut is not illegal, or so we thought. We have seen here on ARRSE the best and the worst of 'comedy' across all the forums and some have seen or heard of the the 'Co's' less than entertaining 'interview sans coffee' with the police. At that time many on both sides of the discussion on that 'Thread' were pointing out that the UK, was entering a slippery slope of thought crime being enabled by nebulous 'hate speech laws' that take no account of context.

Was saying 'Gas the jews' to his girlfriends pug stupid, thoughtless and crass, absolutely it was but should it be made a crime, absolutely not. Well known comedians who are not exactly right leaning supports, have expressed there dismay at this affair, and many public figures.

There is a growing diquiet that Mr Meechan's conviction will see an even heavy handed use of hate laws that do not need a crime to be commited and can be processed by anonymous accusations of 'Hurt feeling or mental distress' being made. There had not been a complaint made to the police yet they proceeded to arrest charge and with the willing cooperation of the CPS Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service prosecute, an individual for being a perhaps an unthinking idiot.

Is the current societal model of social cohesion not been broken enough with modern progressive cultural social engineering, vigorously fitting square pegs into round hole.

In Mr Meechan own words.
Count Dankula (@CountDankulaTV) | Twitter

This is not new 18 Oct 2012
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So are we going to nod sagely at the traditional news media's silence, or should you consider that if we are silent now, and then wonder why it is so silent when your thoughts and words are taken out of context.


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#2
The traditional news media's silence is deafening, as to the battle for freedom of speech, while it has begun the UK is in danger of sleepwalking into the embrace of thought speech.

The irony is rich that on Sunday the 19th of March 2018, after many thousands turned up to show that, free speech must be protected, that Markus Meechan aka 'Count Dankula' has been found guilty of being "grossly offensive" under the 'Communications Act 2003' and now awaits sentencing after being arrested in April 2017, in all likelyhood I have no doubt he will get a custodial sentence.


Mr Meechan is to some, no doubt an offensive figure and to others a shiteposting genius. The reality is though being a offensive cnut is not illegal, or so we thought. We have seen here on ARRSE the best and the worst of 'comedy' across all the forums and some have seen or heard of the the 'Co's' less than entertaining 'interview sans coffee' with the police. At that time many on both sides of the discussion on that 'Thread' were pointing out that the UK, was entering a slippery slope of thought crime being enabled by nebulous 'hate speech laws' that take no account of context.

Was saying 'Gas the jews' to his girlfriends pug stupid, thoughtless and crass, absolutely it was but should it be made a crime, absolutely not. Well known comedians who are not exactly right leaning supports, have expressed there dismay at this affair, and many public figures.

There is a growing diquiet that Mr Meechan's conviction will see an even heavy handed use of hate laws that do not need a crime to be commited and can be processed by anonymous accusations of 'Hurt feeling or mental distress' being made. There had not been a complaint made to the police yet they proceeded to arrest charge and with the willing cooperation of the CPS prosecute, an individual for being a perhaps an unthinking idiot.

Is the current societal model of social cohesion not been broken enough with modern progressive cultural social engineering, vigorously fitting square pegs into round hole.

In Mr Meechan own words.
Count Dankula (@CountDankulaTV) | Twitter


This is not new 18 Oct 2012
.

So are we going to nod sagely at the traditional news media's silence, or should you consider that if we are silent now, and then wonder why it is so silent when your thoughts and words are taken out of context.


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He seems like a cünt, Nazi or not.
 
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He seems like a cünt, Nazi or not.
Being a cnut is not illegal, and even if he was a Nazi that's not illegal either. That the thing with free speech, i have to agree that anyone can say or think anything, i dont have to like or agree with any of it, unless it is to directly encourage or promote violence or law breaking...

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Being a cnut is not ellegal, and even if he was a Nazi that's not illegal either. That the thing with free speech, i have to agree that anyone can say or think anything, i dont have to like or agree with any of it, unless it is to directly encourage or promote violence or law breaking...
However being seen as not enough of a lefty cnut is considered, by some, to being equal to being a right wing cnut and therefore a member of the alt-right and/or a Nazi, and so shoud be illegal
 
#6
OP, your post is a bit... Rambling...

I presume thus is about the bloke who taught his dog to do a Nazi salute and has been found guilty of a hate crime?
 

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The traditional news media's silence is deafening
What do you mean by the term in bold?

It's reported on the BBC, in the Telegraph, the Heil, Newsweek, Reddit...

There had not been a complaint made to the police yet they proceeded to arrest charge and with the willing cooperation of the CPS prosecute
The CPS do not prosecute in Scotland - where this was tried - it's the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service.
 
#8
What do you mean by the term in bold?
It's reported on the BBC, in the Telegraph, the Heil, Newsweek, Reddit...

Sunday the 19th of March 2018 there was a meeting of thousands at speaker corner Hyde park, to hear Tommy Robinson read the speach written by Martin Sellner while detained in a immigration detention centre... In reaction to the arrest and deportation of 'Generation Identities' Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone from the UK, along with the refusal of entry to Lauren Southern, something that I would say was only covered reluctantly by the BBC and several days after the event.

I have yet to find mention much like the march by Veterans against Terrorism and the Football lads Alliance through central London in Oct last year.


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Sunday the 19th of March 2018 there was a meeting of thousands at speaker corner Hyde park, to hear Tommy Robinson read the speach written by Martin Sellner while detained in a immigration detention centre... In reaction to the arrest and deportation of 'Generation Identities' Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone from the UK, along with the refusal of entry to Lauren Southern, something that I would say was only covered reluctantly by the BBC and several days after the event.

I have yet to find mention much like the march by Veterans against Terrorism and the Football lads Alliance through central London in Oct last year.
So the news story you posted about isn't the target of your ire? Or you've switched fire? Genuinely curious.
 
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With reference to any animal doing a nazi salute.
Can ANY animal that had no formal verbal langauge, possibly no idea of self or what species it is, or notion of human politics do a 'nazi' anything?

With the above also in mind, can anyone be genuinely offended by an animal moving one of its limbs after being trained to do so?
 
#13
So the news story you posted about isn't the target of your ire? Or you've switched fire? Genuinely curious.
Both are really as I see them to be connected, while the events were all over social media, the mainstream press have largely ignored both events. While the Scottish papers have covered Dankula, I don't think the meager coverage has been fair or balanced, and much like the 'Sir Cliff Richard' case the press coverage of Dankula seemed to be pre-positioned by the Police service prior to acting.

I always thought that 'Dankula' was a knob handle, but so what that just my opinion, and that does not deserve the action of arrest, the farce of a court case that has been dragged out at great expense over the last year. Speech and hate laws are becoming more twisted and nebulous, and sadly i don't see a push back to either clarify the laws to absolutes or strike them from legislation.

I believe its a slippery slope from current ill defined offensive speech standards to a possible return of blasphemy laws religious or otherwise.
 
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Are we going to lock up people for being offensive to a protected group without asking whether we have equality under the law? Never mind asking why people should be imprisoned for free speech.

Anybody who supports this verdict is scum as far as I am concerned.
 
#17
I'm very worried. My little dog Milo raises his paw to anyone he thinks may be about to give him a doggy biscuit or similar. I always thought it was a 'give us a paw' thing but now... the little nazi bar steward is trying to get me locked up for hate crime.
 
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#19
"you would even wish your ... servants to read."
PC is going to drag us back into the puritan age.
This is the intent of the hard left socialist ayatollahs that make up the PC brigade in Britain and elsewhere.

1984 was an accurate prediction of what is to come if we are not careful. Just some 30 plus years later than predicted.
 

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