Medal Order

#1
Having recently become a canger (no comments for being such a sprog pse!) should the Op Telic medal sit before any NATO medal? I have heard a number of suggestions. Somebody told me that you just put them on in the order you got them, but as this is a campaign medal, not a plastic NATO one, should it be more senior?
 
#4
11D

'Fraid your Telic gong goes after any NATO/UN awards, even though they look like they came out of a Christmas cracker.

UK campaign awards take the same precedence as NATO/UN medals and you basically wear 'em in the order you get 'em.
 
#7
I've been away on leave, so I missed the opportunity to bore you all with more dull 'Slopey' posts.

Medals and the order in which they are worn is straightforward:

Queen's Regulations for Army 1975 (Amendment No 26)

ANNEX A
ABBREVIATED GUIDE TO THE ORDER IN WHICH ORDERS, DECORATIONS AND MEDALS ARE WORN

1. The Victoria Cross and the George Cross(1)

VC, GC

2. United Kingdom Orders(2)

KG, KT, GCB, OM, GCMG, GCVO, GBE, CH, KCB/DCB, KCMG/DCMG, KCVO/DCVO, KBE/DBE, CB, CMG, CVO, CBE, DSO, LVO, OBE, MVO, MBE

3. United Kingdom Decorations

CGC, RRC, DSC, MC, DFC, AFC, ARRC

4. Order of St John (all classes)

5. United Kingdom Medals for Gallantry and Distinguished Service

[DCM, CGM, CGM], GM [DSM, MM, DFM, AFM], QGM, RVM, [BEM], QVRM

6. United Kingdom Operational Service Medals, United Nations Medals and Medals of other recognised international organisations

In order of date of award

7. Coronation and Jubilee Medals

In order of date of award

8. Long Service and Efficiency, etc Awards

Meritorious Service Medal

Accumulated Campaign Service Medal

Regular Forces LS & GC Medals(Army, RN, RAF, UDR/R IRISH (Home Service))

[ERD], TD, RD

RNR LS & GC Medal, [RFR LS & GC Medal], [RNXS Medal]

AE, VRSM, [UD], NIHSM

Queen’s Medals for Champion Shots, Cadet Forces Medal

Rhodesia Medal

9. Commonwealth Orders, Decorations and Medals Instituted by The Sovereign

In order of date of award

10. Commonwealth Orders, Decorations and Medals instituted since 1949 otherwise than by the Sovereign (including those of the States of Malaysia and the State of Brunei)

In order of date of award

11. Foreign Orders

Foreign Decorations (In order of date of award)

Foreign Medals

Medals of the Royal Humane Society and Medals of the Royal National Lifeboat Society

These medals are to be worn on the right breast.
Notes:

(1) The abbreviations listed are the authorised post-nominal letters, which are placed after recipients’ names in the same order. Membership of the Order of St John carries no right to post-nominal letters.

(2) Persons subsequently appointed to a higher class of the same division (Military or Civil) of a British order wear the badge and ribbon and use the post-nominal letters of the higher class (e.g. GBE proceeds KBE, likewise KBE proceeds CBE, etc). If a holder of a lower class is promoted to a higher class in the other division, he may continue to wear the badge and ribbon of the honour first received but may only use the post-nominal letters relating to the higher class.

(3) Entries with 'square brackets' indicate that no further awards have been made, dependent on dates. PM me if you're that interested!!
 
#8
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news but according to MAT REGS. All campaign medals awrded by the sovereign go in precedence.Then follows all the bone medals that only remind us how crap a tour was. Then the jubilee then finally youre LSGC havent got mine yet....
 
#9
QManWpns said:
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news but according to MAT REGS. All campaign medals awrded by the sovereign go in precedence.Then follows all the bone medals that only remind us how crap a tour was. Then the jubilee then finally youre LSGC havent got mine yet....
I'm sorry that QR's wasn't authoritative enough for you. When you mention MATREGS, I assume you mean Mat.Regs.Vol 3 Pam 10 - Clothing - Instructions for the Wearing of the Insignia of Orders, Decorations and Medals

If you do, here is the blurb:

SECTION 5 - ORDER OF WEARING ORDERS, DECORATIONS AND MEDALS

AUTHORITY

501. The following list shows the order in which Orders, Decorations and Medals should be worn, the authority for which is vested in the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood.

ORDER OF WEARING

502. The Victoria Cross and The George Cross:

VC, GC

503. British Orders - Notes 1 and 2:

KG, KT, GCB, OM, GCMG, GCVO, GBE, CH, KCB/DCB, KCMG/DCMG, KCVO/DCVO, KBE/DBE, CB, CMG, CVO, CBE, DSO, LVO, OBE, MVO, MBE

504. British Decorations - Note 1:

CGC, RRC, DSC, MC, DFC, AFC, ARRC, Order of St John

505. British Medals for Gallantry and Distinguished Service - Note 1:

DCM, CGM, CGM(F)] - N0te 3 , GM [DSM, MM, DFM, AFM] - Note 3, QGM, QVRM, RVM [BEM] - Note 3

506. British Operational Service Medals, United Nations Medal and Medals of other recognised international organisations: (e.g. NATO)

In order of date of qualification

507. Coronation and Jubilee Medals:

In order of date of qualification

508. Long Service and Efficiency Awards:

Meritorious Service Medal

Accumulated Campaign Service Medal

Regular Forces LS & GCMedals(Army, RN, RAF, UDR/R IRISH (Home Service)

[ERD] - Note 5. TD, RD - Notes 5 and 6

RNR LS & GC Medal, RFR LS & GC Medal, RNXS Medal

AE, VRSM, [UD] - Note 6. Efficiency Medal (Territorial), Northern Ireland Home Service Medal

Queen’s Medals for Champion Shots

Cadet Forces Medal

Rhodesia Medal

509. Commonwealth Orders, Decorations and Medals Instituted by The Sovereign:

In order of date of qualification

510. Commonwealth Orders, Decorations and Medals instituted since 1949 otherwise than by The Sovereign (including those of the States of Malaysia and the State of Brunei):

In order of date of qualification

511. Foreign Orders, Decorations and Medals:

Foreign Orders

Foreign Decorations In order of date of qualification

ForeignMedals

NOTES:

1. The abbreviations listed are the authorised post-nominal letters, which are placed after recipients’ names in the same order.

2. Persons subsequently appointed to a higher class of the same division (Military or Civil) of a British Order wear the badge and ribbon and use the post-nominals of the higher class (e.g. GBE precedes KBE, likewise KBE precedes CBE). If a holder of a lower class is promoted to a higher class in the other division, he may continue to wear the badge and ribbon of the honour first received but may only use the post-nominals relating to the higher class.

3. No further awards made after September 1993.

4. No further awards made after New Year Honours 1993.

5. No further awards made after April 1967.

6. No further awards made after June 1992.
I am looking very hard to see if:

a. QR's doesn't reflect Mat Regs correctly. I can't say that it does.

b. I didn't cover your point in my last post. Can't say that I didn't.

Out.
 
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#10
Looks to me like a question of punctuation. If ss. 506 had utilised semi-colons instead of commas, then QManWpns may well have been correct, but the commas swing it for me: Old Slopey gets the nod.


The_Sloping_Wire said:
QManWpns said:
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news but according to MAT REGS. All campaign medals awrded by the sovereign go in precedence.Then follows all the bone medals that only remind us how crap a tour was. Then the jubilee then finally youre LSGC havent got mine yet....
I'm sorry that QR's wasn't authoritative enough for you. When you mention MATREGS, I assume you mean Mat.Regs.Vol 3 Pam 10 - Clothing - Instructions for the Wearing of the Insignia of Orders, Decorations and Medals

If you do, here is the blurb:

SECTION 5 - ORDER OF WEARING ORDERS, DECORATIONS AND MEDALS

AUTHORITY

501. The following list shows the order in which Orders, Decorations and Medals should be worn, the authority for which is vested in the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood.

ORDER OF WEARING

502. The Victoria Cross and The George Cross:

VC, GC

503. British Orders - Notes 1 and 2:

KG, KT, GCB, OM, GCMG, GCVO, GBE, CH, KCB/DCB, KCMG/DCMG, KCVO/DCVO, KBE/DBE, CB, CMG, CVO, CBE, DSO, LVO, OBE, MVO, MBE

504. British Decorations - Note 1:

CGC, RRC, DSC, MC, DFC, AFC, ARRC, Order of St John

505. British Medals for Gallantry and Distinguished Service - Note 1:

DCM, CGM, CGM(F)] - N0te 3 , GM [DSM, MM, DFM, AFM] - Note 3, QGM, QVRM, RVM [BEM] - Note 3

506. British Operational Service Medals, United Nations Medal and Medals of other recognised international organisations: (e.g. NATO)

In order of date of qualification

507. Coronation and Jubilee Medals:

In order of date of qualification

508. Long Service and Efficiency Awards:

Meritorious Service Medal

Accumulated Campaign Service Medal

Regular Forces LS & GCMedals(Army, RN, RAF, UDR/R IRISH (Home Service)

[ERD] - Note 5. TD, RD - Notes 5 and 6

RNR LS & GC Medal, RFR LS & GC Medal, RNXS Medal

AE, VRSM, [UD] - Note 6. Efficiency Medal (Territorial), Northern Ireland Home Service Medal

Queen’s Medals for Champion Shots

Cadet Forces Medal

Rhodesia Medal

509. Commonwealth Orders, Decorations and Medals Instituted by The Sovereign:

In order of date of qualification

510. Commonwealth Orders, Decorations and Medals instituted since 1949 otherwise than by The Sovereign (including those of the States of Malaysia and the State of Brunei):

In order of date of qualification

511. Foreign Orders, Decorations and Medals:

Foreign Orders

Foreign Decorations In order of date of qualification

ForeignMedals

NOTES:

1. The abbreviations listed are the authorised post-nominal letters, which are placed after recipients’ names in the same order.

2. Persons subsequently appointed to a higher class of the same division (Military or Civil) of a British Order wear the badge and ribbon and use the post-nominals of the higher class (e.g. GBE precedes KBE, likewise KBE precedes CBE). If a holder of a lower class is promoted to a higher class in the other division, he may continue to wear the badge and ribbon of the honour first received but may only use the post-nominals relating to the higher class.

3. No further awards made after September 1993.

4. No further awards made after New Year Honours 1993.

5. No further awards made after April 1967.

6. No further awards made after June 1992.
I am looking very hard to see if:

a. QR's doesn't reflect Mat Regs correctly. I can't say that it does.

b. I didn't cover your point in my last post. Can't say that I didn't.

Out.
 
#12
Much as I hate to contradict Slopes, the note regarding post-nominals relating to awards of the Order of St John is not quite correct.

Order of St John awards such as Serving Brother (and, for PC fans, the female equivalent) do not have post nominals, but the higher awards certainly do. The Order is an order of chivalry and all awards are personally approved by HM Queen, Sovereign Head of the Order.

For example: Sir Graham Meldrum CBE OStJ QFSM Duniv FIFireE CCMI
HM Chief Inspector of Trumpton

Many senior military medical officers are awarded the OsTJ, and use the post-nominal.
 
#13
Bugger........I guess that now means I have to pay again to get my medals remounted so that my Kosovo medal is closest to my heart! Can I not blag it?
 
#15
ViroBono said:
Much as I hate to contradict Slopes, the note regarding post-nominals relating to awards of the Order of St John is not quite correct.
VB - there are NO authorised post-nominals for the Order of St John. At all.

ANNEX A to MILITARY HONOURS AND AWARDS (AUGUST 2002)
ABBREVIATED GUIDE TO THE ORDER IN WHICH ORDERS, DECORATIONS AND MEDALS ARE WORN



The abbreviations listed are the authorised post-nominal letters, which are placed after recipients’ names in the same order. Membership of the Order of St John carries no right to post-nominal letters. This applies to all classes.
VB - just because senior people do it, doesn't make it right! There are plenty of threads on this site that corroborate this!

I would love to know who these people are - they are using post-noms that that do not exist! :D

(PS End of chat on this one - unless you can find a definitive authority that proves me (and all of PS12) wrong.)
 

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